1979 V1000 G5 starter issues

[bdmitche]

Hi, haven't been on here in a while.
You guys really helped me a while back with issues on my '98 EV1000 which I have since sold.
Thinned the herd so to speak.
Now I'm focusing on the last bike I have - my 1979 V1000 G5, the one I wanted to end up with. Bought approx 20 years ago.
I rode it for quite a while, never really had any issues, other than occasional starter issues. It would either crank right up or give the clicking noise. If I continue with with starter button eventually it would start. Very frustrating.
Getting the V1000 ready for the spring. Just installed brank new battery, has been on the Battery Tender since then. When trying to crank, key on, in neutral, clutch lever pulled, when hitting the starter switch all I am getting is the "clicking" noise coming from the right hand side cover. I did some research in the past about that and saw quite a few mentionous of it.
I just ordered a Starter Relay. I was planning on replacing it over the weekend. I wasn't able to locate the existing relay. Of course under the side cover there is a multitude of things, pretty close quarters. I tried the starter button and it seemed the clicking noise was coming from the white plastic unit in the picture below. I'm not sure how to identify the starter relay (if that is what the issue is?)
The part on the left had no part number on it. The other relay has part numbeouldr, though I had no luck finding it in the parts catalog.
I had seen mention of running wiring directly from battery to starter (that didn't sound like the best idea)
Since this is a 1979 there may be some discrepancy with part numbers and limited discussions about issues like this. Pictures on the right are of the Starter relay I ordered.
I couldn't find anything under the side cover that looked like this.
Any help or guidance would be most appreciated.
Side note - this is an awesome classic motorcycle, most comfortable, smooth running and a pleaser to ride. I have never ridden it without receiving many comments from folks. Older bike, a classic, for an older guy. I love the classics the best!

 

[V700Steve]

I have hooked up lots of hot wire buttons, in fact when that bike was new. Still have some caterpillar buttons.
Should be a relay under cover that looks like 2nd pic. It clicks just not enough through it. You can use it to signal the new one and activate the starter. Simple Unless its your solenoid is bad. Those models like a 30Ah battery.

The new relay should have a schematic of it on the side w/ pin #30, 85, 86, 87.

Measure voltage on wire to solenoid, I'll bet it's 9V or less. Needs to be at least 10-11.
On new relay use the solenoid wire to #86 on new relay to trigger it
#85 is ground
#87 is wire to solenoid
#30 is power from battery
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[Tonerjockey]

Why do you pull clutch lever when starting the engine?

 

[V700Steve]

I do that just to take off a little load turning trans, just motor spinning. & if you don't know if its in neutral. Habit

 

[bdmitche]

I have hooked up lots of hot wire buttons, in fact when that bike was new. Still have some caterpillar buttons.
Should be a relay under cover that looks like 2nd pic. It clicks just not enough through it. You can use it to signal the new one and activate the starter. Simple Unless its your solenoid is bad. Those models like a 30Ah battery.

The new relay should have a schematic of it on the side w/ pin #30, 85, 86, 87.

Measure voltage on wire to solenoid, I'll bet it's 9V or less. Needs to be at least 10-11.
On new relay use the solenoid wire to #86 on new relay to trigger it
#85 is ground
#87 is wire to solenoid
#30 is power from battery
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Hi Steve,
Thank you for your fast response!! So the second picture from the left is the Starter Relay?
It looks pretty old, has a small crack in it. The "New Starter Relay" I ordered from MG Cycle are the two pictures on the right.
See enlarged photo of new relay below.
You know when I started trying to locate where the clicking was coming from I could not tell. I thought is was coming from the item in the far left picture. I tried to remove the wires with connectors but could not do that. I read somewhere that some of those have a small clip on the end that locks it into place?
Anyway it the second photo is the Starter Relay should I try to remove it and replace with the one I bought?
To see if that solves the problem?
Unfortunately electrical wiring and components are my weak spot. Though I would like to learn more. I've looked at the schematic from (This old tractor, I think it was) but is very confusing to me. Maybe I shouldn't look at the whole schematic, but just the section I'm dealing with.
If replacing the relay does not fix it can I please reach back out to you for help in following your recommendations at the bottom of your reply above?
I'm going to be away from the house for a few minutes, but will check the laptop as soon as I return.
Thank you again!
Bill Mitchell

 

[V700Steve]

Yes, you can just replace & see if you crank with new one. It has markings on back for wires, plug in like old one.
The 1st pic is just a wiring plug with a lock you squeeze or similar.
Yes, contact any time.