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Considering an Audace or El Dorado

Discussion in 'Cal 1400 8V' started by Glenn Thorpe, Nov 23, 2017.

  1. Glenn Thorpe

    Glenn Thorpe Tuned and Synch'ed

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    I've have a Stelvio NTX for 3 years, It's been a great bike and has enlightened me to how great Moto Guzzi's are.

    I want to go in a different direction and am thinking about selling it and getting a 1400 8V Audace (or perhaps an El Dorado). My main concern is long term reliability. I also want to know if there are any common issues that owners are seeing after a few years of experience.

    My Stelvio has some quirky issues (clutch groan) but so far it has been rock solid.

    I would appreciate all objective opinions on the 1400 8v platform.

    Thanks,
    Glenn
     
  2. Eldo1400

    Eldo1400 Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Don't have long term but I can say a few things about the Eldorado. It's bone simple, and there are fewer clunking ticking and clanking noises than on my V9. The drivetrain seems very smooth.

    I'd say it will outlive a zombie apocalypse but (maybe) for the lean running necessary to pass Euro 3. Todd's gizmos can fix that. Also, some people report electrical gremlins. The basic platform, though, is so overbuilt and simple that will last and last I'm sure. To me it's more like a (Pre-2014) Harley than an over-engineered post-airhead BMW. Or a mid 90s small block chevy with TBI.

    Single throttle body, single disc clutch, well sorted shaft drive, proven patform. Eerily smooth engine once past idle. Seems like it was designed for longevity.

    So, long -term durability isn't the issue so much as short-term annoyances (maybe) to sort some things out.
     
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  3. John L

    John L Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    Hi Glen, had my Eldo just on 2 years, 30,000kms. Zero problems just gets better every ride. Steering on the Eldo maybe a bit lighter due to its 16in wheels and I find it really comfortable with the wider bars and foot boards, but things like that are purely subjective so which ever one floats your boat, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
     
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  4. GTM®

    GTM® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Glenn, I think all of your questions can be answered in this section, just do some reading. Guzzis have been over-built tanks for decades, There really is no long term reliability issues outside of those found in the section on the 1400 to date. That said, the Stelvio is right up there as one of my all time favorite Guzzis.
     
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    heyzeus Tuned and Synch'ed

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    I have an Audace and I love her. I have also had a California touring model. I prefer the Audace as she is less old manish. The California was very nice though. I had around 8000 miles on the CA. I have only about 1500 miles on the Audace so far. All I can say is it is a very nice bike to ride.
     
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  6. Glenn Thorpe

    Glenn Thorpe Tuned and Synch'ed

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    I'm glad to hear all to positive feedback on the 1400 8V bikes, thanks. I have my Stelio up for sale.
     
  7. Garwood

    Garwood Maintaining a Low Profile! GT Contributor

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    Piling on here. Last May I traded a 2014 Stelvio for a new 2016 Eldorado. Very different bikes. Both are great. I'm up to just under 10,000 miles on the Eldo with no problems that weren't cured by Dr. Todd, the Guzzi Whisperer.

    Eldo 1400's comment about the "eerily smooth" 1400 engine deserves further comment. Once you get it off an idle, the 1400 engine is the smoothest, most vibration free, motorcycle engine I have ever owned. And I have owned a few different brands and types over the years. It lends a feeling that nothing serious is likely to go wrong just because it is not shaking itself to death. The motorcycle just feels solid and well built.
    Garwood. IMG_20170626_165552269.jpg
     
  8. Trout

    Trout GT Reference

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    Yep. Just choose the style you like best & ride worry free.
     
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  9. Eldo1400

    Eldo1400 Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    "Once you get it off an idle, the 1400 engine is the smoothest, most vibration free, motorcycle engine I have ever owned. "

    That's true. Now that I think about the bikes I've had, you're right about that. I've had British twins, Japanese twins, inline 4s, V-Twins, opposed twins, air cooled and water cooled balance shafted -- you name it. The Eldorado is smoother once off idle.

    It's a raucus engine for sure. Pulsing with power, and with a fair amount of mechanical noises, but it's very, very smooth. One other thing: It's as close as you can get to flying a vintage aircraft. Ha, ha.
     
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    Heh, well, its certainly superior to the ‘41 Taylorcraft I flew. I’d call it more of a Porsche-powered Mooney.
     
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    Thanks for all the responses. I went ahead and put a deposit down on a very lightly used 2016 Eldorado in the Dallas area. I'm working on locating a shipper to get it here, Can't wait!
     
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  12. John L

    John L Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    Nice Christmas present.:)
     
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    Have used these folks to bring 3 Guzzi's to me. Two from California & one from new Hampshire. Solid company.
    www.haulbikes.com
     
  14. Eldo1400

    Eldo1400 Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I'm going with P-47: Big air-cooled power, spacious cockpit, stable but surprisingly agile. All that's missing is a turbocharger and some machine guns.
     
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    Second guzzi Just got it firing!

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    Long time listener , first time poster. Just picked up an Audace that dealer was blowing out at ridiculous pricing. Had a 07 two valve Griso and went up to get a new one. Dealer say trys the Audace and tosses the keys.

    Hooked on the motor and have come to like the ergos and handling. I have Rizoma bars and risers coming to replace the broom stick drag bar set it comes with, not my thing. Sold the Griso with 54k miles and if the new Guzzi is anything like that one then they will last forever.
     
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    Welcome aboard, and congrats on all! Hope you'll add both bikes to the Registry pages... Griso: https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/griso-registry-picture-thread-add-your-bike.1098/ -- and 1400; https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/cal1400-registry-pics-thread-add-your-bike.11538/

    There's a ton of power hiding in the 1400, see; https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/guzzitech-gt-rx-modded-cal-14-dyno-vs-stock.13773/

    Post often.
     
  17. Henrik L

    Henrik L Just got it firing!

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    Hello. New here read a lot.
    I tried a 2016 Audace a new bike zero miles.
    I am very tempting and drove it for ~220 kilometers. Drained the tank.
    Meaning more or less 1 liter / 10 kilometers. Not really what I expected.
    In forums I read 300km /tank which is ok.
    I did not push it.
    Is this a first run that made it consume that much fule or?
    Any idea?
     
  18. PaulDavies

    PaulDavies Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    10L / 100 km is what I get from my SUV (on a good day) so yes I would expect better, but it depends how you ride and a new engine will be tight. I've had a 2016 Audace since new and get way better mpg than that, typically 40-45 (US)mpg or roughly 5.9L/100km) or better on the highway, but I don't tend to push it hard.
     
  19. MJPTexas

    MJPTexas Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I consistently run 38-42 miles per U.S. gallon on my 2014 California Custom (same drivetrain). I'll let you do the conversion math. Note that mileage in stop and go traffic can be pretty abysmal.
     
  20. Henrik L

    Henrik L Just got it firing!

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    Hi thanks.
    This is what I expected.
    Thanks, it was set to turismo mode.
    I Did ~60 km on 110-120 km/h
    The rest 160 km on average 70-90 km/h.
    Very tempted to get one but the low km done made me think twice.
    I totally love the bike as such.. So beautiful.
     

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