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Problems with fuel injection system

linda and mark

Just got it firing!
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Hi Everyone.

We are new on here and total technophobes, so please excuse us if we do this wrong. We used to ride Guzzis from 1980 until 2004, our first one being a V50 2 and the last one being a Jackal. Then we were out of the country for a while, but we have finally got a Nevada 750. She's a 2016 model that we bought in May and she's a great little bike, but we are having problems with her popping and back firing, mainly at low revs in town traffic.

Fortunately the shop that we bought her from has given us a 2 year warranty, but after taking her back 3 times, nothing has changed. It has been an 80 mile round trip to the shop and as of next week this is increasing to 200 miles as we are moving. So we really want to get it sorted out.

The service department is now claiming that it is something called over run, which we have never heard of. Apparently all bikes with fuel injection systems have the same problem, ie when you shut the throttle off, there is too much fuel being delivered so the bike back fires as it burns this off. Now we know absolutely nothing about fuel injection, but ours would fail the noise restrictions if nothing else. She can rattle windows when she is really bad.

Our jackal had fuel injection and never gave us any trouble at all. Plus we had a V7 3 loan bike the last time we left our Nevada at the shop and that didn't have any problems either. Ours hardly ever causes any trouble at speeds over 40 mph and at 70 mph we can shut the throttle off as hard as we like and she hardly even burbles. But cruising along the flat, going up hill and mostly going down hill, even under load, is virtually guaranteed to get her playing up when in town traffic. This equates to around 30 mph in second or third gears, at 2000-3000 rpm.

Has anyone else heard of this problem before please? We've tried searching Google and came up with the following explanations for cars:



'To minimise waste fuel on the overrun, the fuel pressure regulator reduces the amount of fuel that can pass through the injectors from the usual setting by vacuum control.'



'On deceleration, the throttle butterfly is closed, so vacuum is at its greatest. This vacuum pulls on the fuel pressure regulator and this reduces the fuel pressure by about a sixth. Therefore, in the same time, less fuel enters the engine via the injectors.



It doesn't mean very much to us, but we assume this is the same for bikes?





Thank you in advance for any help you can give us.

Best wishes

Linda and Mark
 
Thank you so much for your help and the link John. We've checked the link and think we've got the general idea. Sorry to hassle you further, but have you ever heard of it being normal for Guzzis to backfire like this? Like we said, our Jackal and the loan bike never backfired and we tried really hard with the loan V7 3.
Best wishes
Linda and Mark
 
Thank you so much for your help and the link John. We've checked the link and think we've got the general idea. Sorry to hassle you further, but have you ever heard of it being normal for Guzzis to backfire like this? Like we said, our Jackal and the loan bike never backfired and we tried really hard with the loan V7 3.
Best wishes
Linda and Mark.
PS Sorry, you've probably got this twice John, but we're not really sure what we're doing with the site yet:(
 
It sounds like a deceleration popping and not really a back fire. Occurs on both carb and FI bikes usually from an exhaust leak or overly lean running or improper TPS setting.
 
FIRST: Don't apologize for asking questions, you are not hassling anyone & it's stuff like this that keeps most of us active on this forum.

Not normal behavouir for any machine.
There are a number of reasons why this can occur.
As John said loose exhaust where the pipe connects to the engine & even were the mufflers slip on.
Bad spark plug wires or boots.
Loose or bad electrical grounds.
Lean fueling from the factory or TPS set incorrect; The link John posted would be the cure.

You may want to contact the dealer & ask them if there are any updates available for your bike that have not been installed.
They should have done this before the bike was sold.
They also should have done a TPS reset when you took the bike back so again you may want to ask if they did that.

Are you mechanicaly inclined?
 
the Nevada isn't sold in the US but I'm guessing it is the standard 750 engine as found in the V7II and I. Correct?
if so the header pipes need to be snugged up every 300-500 miles for about 5 times. check muffler to header pipe connection. Also the spark plug caps are supposed to be screwed onto the wires and the factory workers many times just slide them in. pull them off the plugs and make sure they are screwed in tight. my 2015 and 17 had no decel pop with the stock exhaust but the 17 sure does with open mufflers. It could use a new computer program. what you describe is wrong!
 
the Nevada isn't sold in the US but I'm guessing it is the standard 750 engine as found in the V7II and I. Correct?
if so the header pipes need to be snugged up every 300-500 miles for about 5 times. check muffler to header pipe connection. Also the spark plug caps are supposed to be screwed onto the wires and the factory workers many times just slide them in. pull them off the plugs and make sure they are screwed in tight. my 2015 and 17 had no decel pop with the stock exhaust but the 17 sure does with open mufflers. It could use a new computer program. what you describe is wrong!


Actually more like the 750 Breva. Just set up to look like a cruiser.
 
It sounds like a deceleration popping and not really a back fire. Occurs on both carb and FI bikes usually from an exhaust leak or overly lean running or improper TPS setting.
Hi again John. Oh she certainly backfires. It's loud enough to make pedestrians stare at us. Most embarrassing.
Thanks again for all of your help.
Best wishes
Linda and Mark
FIRST: Don't apologize for asking questions, you are not hassling anyone & it's stuff like this that keeps most of us active on this forum.

Not normal behavouir for any machine.
There are a number of reasons why this can occur.
As John said loose exhaust where the pipe connects to the engine & even were the mufflers slip on.
Bad spark plug wires or boots.
Loose or bad electrical grounds.
Lean fueling from the factory or TPS set incorrect; The link John posted would be the cure.

You may want to contact the dealer & ask them if there are any updates available for your bike that have not been installed.
They should have done this before the bike was sold.
They also should have done a TPS reset when you took the bike back so again you may want to ask if they did that.

Are you mechanicaly inclined?
Hi Trout.
Thank you very much for your help. We used to do all our own servicing on pre 1990 models but we had a manual for them then. We only have a rider's handbook for the Nevada and there isn't any servicing instructions in it as the bike should be taken to the dealer. Fat lot of good that is! We don't have a clue when it comes to FI systems.
We took her back to the dealer a couple of weeks ago and they were supposed to have updated the programme, but the time before they said it was OK. So we have no idea if they have done anything or not.
Thanks again for your help.
Best wishes
Linda and Mark
 
the Nevada isn't sold in the US but I'm guessing it is the standard 750 engine as found in the V7II and I. Correct?
if so the header pipes need to be snugged up every 300-500 miles for about 5 times. check muffler to header pipe connection. Also the spark plug caps are supposed to be screwed onto the wires and the factory workers many times just slide them in. pull them off the plugs and make sure they are screwed in tight. my 2015 and 17 had no decel pop with the stock exhaust but the 17 sure does with open mufflers. It could use a new computer program. what you describe is wrong!
Hi Vagrant.
Thank you very much for your help. We guess the Nevada and theV7 is similar to the old T3 850 and the T3 850 California. The V7 is a lot quicker off the mark than the Nevada.
Thanks again.
Best wishes
Linda and Mark
 
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