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V7 Fuel Filter Not Replaceable?

Discussion in 'V7/V85/V9 Chat & Tech' started by Mayakovski, May 13, 2019.

  1. SMTCapeCod

    SMTCapeCod Mechanochondriasism GT di Razza Pura

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    Standing by for said pics...
     
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  2. GTM®

    GTM® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    I did a video on it yesterday... I'll pin this thread also.
    Goes without saying best to run the fuel low or drain the tank as we did for the the video below.

     
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    Roose Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Finally got around to replacing the V7III Fuel Filter. Glad that video was there. Along with the good advice in the above replies. It's a little stubborn getting out of the tank. A little patience and a little extra pressure and it slides out. The original filter certainly looks like it was gong to pop any day. Took it for a short 5 minute ride around the neighborhood. No issues.

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  4. Dinsdale Piranha

    Dinsdale Piranha Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Sure do agree with that! However, they DID get it in, and it WILL come back out. It's like those little twisted wire puzzles, which must be aligned exactly correctly to decouple them. It took me a couple of frustrating, fruitless hours one day. I put it down in disgust and came back to it the next day. It all-but fell out as I picked it up.
     
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    vagrant GT Reference

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    never would have mattered if they haden't cheaped out on the diesel filter!
     
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    Roose Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Haha....so true!
     
  7. Hippo-Drones

    Hippo-Drones Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    My advice on replacing the fuel pump/fuel filter is use a bloomin torque wrench, I think it is just 8Nm

    edit as wrong figure: 5Nm (thanks for the correction @sib

    on the 6 fuel pump bolts.... and is a £500+ mistake if you overtighten them as it'll smash your pump mounting. I found this out the hard (and expensive way) when I got my tank painted a couple of years back!

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  8. sib

    sib Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    According to the V7II service manual, the correct torque is 5 Nm.
     
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  9. vagrant

    vagrant GT Reference

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    I did mine with a 1/4" ratchet. i don't know how you got in there with enough power to do that.
     
  10. Hippo-Drones

    Hippo-Drones Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    seriously, it didn't take much, was using a small ratchet too and I'm no Popeye! :D
     
  11. Hippo-Drones

    Hippo-Drones Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    soz, I was just going off top of my head, was 2 yrs ago lol... but good to put the correct figures in here! :)
     
  12. foggy95

    foggy95 Tuned and Synch'ed GT Contributor

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    I just went to replace my fuel filter (2019 V7III Special) just as I have done on my previous V7's ... got the assembly out and much to my surprise - the filter was a Mahle KL145 all metal filter! Someone at the factory must have been listening. And no, this could not have been done post factory, as my bike was just purchased new by me and had a total of seven miles on it!
     
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    Yes, some of the 2019-20 V7s have had all metal. Put it on the shelf for down the road. Not many people change them on the suggested schedule. ;)
     
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    sib Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I've never seen any V7(I and II) service manual or owner's booklet state anything about changing the fuel filter or any schedule for that.
     
  15. GTM®

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    Of course not. It’s not a lifetime filter. The rule of thumb when replacing a fuel filter is every ~2 years or 30,000 miles. The best way to tell if your fuel filter needs replacing to do a fuel pressure test.
     
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    sib Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I can imagine a filter clogging up and needing to be replaced after putting really crappy, particulate-laden fuel in the tank. And I wouldn't argue about it not being a lifetime filter. On the other hand, my last car had an in-tank pump and filter, no bigger than the on in my V7II, and it went 13 years and nearly 200,000 mi. until sold it, without ever needing its filter replaced.
     
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    Not sure what point you are trying to argue here; Apples/Oranges. I see ~250 bikes/year at my shop, and I maintain my rental fleet and personal bikes; I have close to 600k miles on Guzzis. For those who want to wait until it strands you, your prerogative. I’ve seen many that failed (early in their life), along with many U.S. dealers that I frequently communicate with. Simple fact that the company that makes the filters has stated that it was never designed to be submerged in standard fuel, much less ethanol.
    All I’ll add on this, as I don’t have time to debate factual observations based on all I see as a moto business.
     
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    aproud1 Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Emergency maintenance versus preventative maintenance. If given a choice, I choose preventative maintenance.
     
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    Scott H. Just got it firing!

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    Anyway to know before removing tank and pulling filter if mine is already metal (2019 V7III Special)?
     
  20. DominoDoggy

    DominoDoggy Tuned and Synch'ed GT Contributor

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    I'm going to poke my newbie head in here and state that since Moto Guzzi knowingly used a fuel filter that was not designed for use with the fuel that the vehicle was designed to use, that was their fault, the replacement should be a recall, issued immediately, and it should go back as far as the very first vehicle that was built using that plastic filter. Regardless of mileage, regardless of warranty, regardless of anything. Their mistake, they need to correct it.
     
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