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V7C-S Suspension Thread

Discussion in 'V7/V85/V9 Chat & Tech' started by GTM®, Mar 31, 2014.

  1. GTM®

    GTM® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Combined your posts with this thread. Read from the first page. Unless you are an extreme lightweight, reducing spring preload makes things way worse. Sag is critical, and will tell you instantly if the shock on the bike is adequate or not. Likely not for all normal sized adults.
    You will no way/no how will you get a twin shock V7 to ride like a monoshock off-road machine. ;)
     
  2. DeadEye

    DeadEye GT Reference GT di Razza Pura

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    I’m feeling better ... ( no he’s not, he’ll be “Stone” dead in a week ! [Holy Grail quote])

    Much better last night only a couple of bone jarring cracks made it to me!
    A few more cranks and out again tonight

    But Todd, they said I could get the same 9” of travel on this bike as the Honda ( not)

    I think I’m learning - the spring force/rate has to work with the damping of the shocks,

    Spring too soft - hit a pothole/expansion joint the bike drops, shock compresses quickly and I get the Jolt
    Stiffer spring/more preload - same circumstances the event occurs the spring slows the compression the shock slows the rebound .
    ( I’m asking if I’m “getting it” Not stating ...)

    Thanks,
    Don
     
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    DeadEye GT Reference GT di Razza Pura

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    Much better now, and the difference between highway driving and bad local road is significant.
    It’s great on regional back roads !
    I can put the thought of having to look for new suspension on the back burner for a while.
    But I did find these beauties ! Only 189$ for matched GOLDEN paper weights !

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  4. GTM®

    GTM® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    NOT.
    It does, it all revolves around available travel and damping. Most above Italian average weights, use a great deal of available travel, and the twin shock bikes are nearly 1:1, meaning the wheels moves 1", the shock nearly compresses 1". If you have 2" of shock travel, and use 1-1/2" just sitting on it, you can see the dilemma, and add compressing the oils/gas in the shocks to ~75% and it's a disaster. Softening the spring preload means you will use more base travel when simply seated.
    There's a TON of good info online, so I can't expand much further here.
    Those garbage Chinese shocks are indeed $189 paperweights(!).
     
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  5. King of Fleece

    King of Fleece Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    Shocks are the FIRST thing to get right on any motorcycle. $189.00 crap Chinese stuff is an insult to paperweights everywhere.
     
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    DeadEye GT Reference GT di Razza Pura

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    This rock contacted me about filing a suit claiming It was a Better Suspension component than those Pictured above
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    I had to refuse as I'm not a lawyer, I was a geologist...
    I think it was Loosing its Marbles... :nerd:

    ( I couldn't think of a Granite pun... )
     
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  7. tonUPRacer

    tonUPRacer Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    I recently installed the Matris Standard rear shock to replace my stock BiTubos. Noticeable improvement on first ride with only doing basic pre-load and damping adjustment. I'll post a better review after I get things dialed in. I really tried to make the BiTubos work for me. I replaced the stock springs with weight-rated Race Tech springs (and lots of adjustments) and it helped but it didn't solve my issue. I can't believe they sell the BiTubos for 1K, it makes the 190.00 knock-offs look like a reasonable option.

    After nearly being launched (not the first time) on a ride this spring, I said to myself I'm done screwing around and ordered the Matris shocks from the Store. Thanks for offering real solutions to our bikes GuzziTech! I did the Matris pre-load kit on the front in 2015. After 8 years and 18K miles I can now say my bike is fully sorted. My only question is why did I wait so long? (Oh I know, I'm a tightwad) Don't be like me, just do it and be happy you did.
     
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    Godfrey High Miler GT Famiglia

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    The Öhlins suspension units on the 2017 V7III Racer were definitely a big part of the draw to this bike for me. Once fitted with the correct weight springs for my weight and dialed in, they do a perfect job. :D
     
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    tikimatic Just got it firing!

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    Hello. This might be a silly question but : Is it doable to install new shocks without a bike stand ? Switch the right side then left side while the bike is leaning on the bike leg stand)
     
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    tonUPRacer Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    yup not a problem
     
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    tikimatic Just got it firing!

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    Just in case someone wonders the same as I : I confirm TonUpRacer"s comment : It's not a problem at all. Very easy. Thanks TonUpRacer.
     
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    Peyton Just got it firing!

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    Looking to finally upgrade/replace the front fork springs and oil. Ended up looking into the Matris V7 Fork spring replacement kit you have available on your page. What would labor look like for a swap like this? 5'9 195 lb rider.
     
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    GTM® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Direct questions at me are best via email; Info at GuzziTech.com - in short, 1.5 hrs labor for the springs and valves with oil.
     
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    Poppe Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Can't wait to get my front and rear suspension done. Just got to get caught up from the life of Covid, it's my next upgrade then!
     
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    Looking to upgrade my 2013 V7 Special front end. Any recommendation regarding the Matris versus MUPO drop in kits? Thanks
     
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    Mayakovski High Miler GT Famiglia

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    Looking forward to the answer, I had asked the same thing for my 2017 V7 III, and never got an answer.
     
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    sashae Just got it firing!

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    Received my Matris shocks and fork kit from Todd today, got the shocks installed and WOW what an alteration to the bike… so much more planted, just night and day difference from the stock Olles on my V7 Special. Can’t wait to get the fork done!!



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    TweeZ4 Tuned and Synch'ed GT Famiglia

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    Congrats! Whats your weight and what is spring rate in those shocks?
     
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    sashae Just got it firing!

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    I'm 195, not sure of the actual spring rate but presume @GTM® could share!
     
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    GTM® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Guys, I have a set of all-black Matris EM shocks (non-piggybacks) V7 Mk I-II shocks for sale (in stock), free shipping in the lower 48. If no takers, I'll go to social media next. Ping me direct email; Info @ GuzziTech.com

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