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V7-850 E5 Suspension Thread

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This thread houses info on the E5 V7-850. Yes it is important to do front and rear upgrades together, especially if you are outside of the target stock weight ranges (155-170 lbs in gear). If your car needed a suspension upgrade, you wouldn’t do on end only, correct? On a motorcycle, it’s even more critical.
See bottom below for a general how-to when upgrading to Matris or Bitubo components offered in our (GTM) STORE below.

All items we use, recommend and sell here;


Stock specs:
Front fork travel: 130 mm / 5.1"
Target total sag: 43.33 mm / 1.7"
Rear wheel travel: 99 mm / 3.9"
Target total sag: 30mm / 1.2"

I recommend pushing the forks up in the triple trees 10-20mm. This will help with stability and turn in, especially those who enjoy twisty road riding.

Measured with 190 # rider on board as delivered:

Kaifa forks:
Unl. 182 mm
Stat. 148 mm
Lad. 132 mm
TSag: 50 mm
Target: 43.33mm

KYB shocks:
Unl. 3XX mm
Stat. 3XX mm
Lad. 3XX mm
TSag: XX mm
Target: 30 mm

GTM 2S shocks:
365mm Unladen
3XXmm Static
3XX Laden
??mm total sag out of box
Set to: 3XXmm
30mm total target sag

GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR UPGRADED FORK COMPONENTS:

If any or none of below isn't clear to you, we recommend consulting a local suspension specialist, and/or use a Google search on disassembly of damper rod forks, brand is not so important. These are basic instruction for people who are capable. Fork seals are NOT needed for installation of any fork kit we sell. We strongly do not recommend any attempt to drain the fork oil while on the bike, but someone always will and try to prove us wrong; Your bike, do as you wish. Measure and note the drained amount per side. Replace what you drain. Leaky fork seals don’t count.

Support and raise the bike to allow the front end to suspend without weight on the wheel/tire. With the basic Matris FKE or Bitubo KB1 kit, if the bike is new enough without a need for fork oil change, it can be done on bike. Many choose to remove them for simplicity and ease. Loosen both upper and lower triple clamp bolts, one side at a time. Slide the fork(s) upward 10~15mm above the top triple to loosen the fork cap. We STRONGLY recommend leaving them at this measurement when done. Use a caliper to ensure side to side accuracy. Once evenly above the top triple, tighten the lower triple bolt to stop rotation of the tube to loosen the top cap. If you are replacing the fork oil, you must remove the complete fork leg to drain; Remove the fork cap, stock fork springs and preload spacers using a magnetic and/or wire pick/hook tool, or simply turn over in a large drain pan to empty. If you are not replacing the fork oil, the flow valve can be lowered into the fork (in place/on bike) to sit in the top of the damper rod assembly using THIS type of tool. It must seat down fully centered into the top of the damper rod. Then slowly lower in the springs and spacers. The fork caps, spacers, springs (and Matris flow valve) interlock into the springs to help alleviate spring slap noise to the fork tubes. If installed fully/properly, the cap should thread on with little force. If it requires any significant pressure, the flow valves are likely not fully seated, or one of the parts is not in place.
The Matris or Bitubo cartridge kits require removal of the forks. Same as above, loosen the fork caps while still in the triples, using the lower clamp bolt to keep it from rotating, same in reverse when installing. In the very bottom of the slider is a recessed hex bolt (that requires a long M8 allen socket and electric impact, without both you will have an infuriating time/process) to remove the damper rod assembly - We recommend loosening this bolt before removing the fork cap to keep force on the internal stock parts to limit rotation. Remove the fork cap, spacers, springs and damper rods and allow to drain fully (spray/clean as needed). Install the cartridge assembly, tighten bottom allen bolt, then add oil to spec/level, being sure to bleed out the air as you fill. Search online on a how to if you are not familiar with this process. If the forks are too firm or too soft, they likely have air in them.
From there, be sure to set preload (and balance the damping, rebound and compression if using the Matris or Bitubo cartridges) to your rear shocks, as noted top post here.
 
I'm surprised there aren't more additions to this old thread! Am I trying to put this in the wrong place? I just wanted to say that I had GTM do up my 2023 V7 Special with full Bitubo cartridges up front and +20mm Bitubo shocks in the back and the difference from stock is incredible. If you are looking around on this forum wondering if you should upgrade your suspension, I could not recommend it more highly.
 
I'm surprised there aren't more additions to this old thread! Am I trying to put this in the wrong place? I just wanted to say that I had GTM do up my 2023 V7 Special with full Bitubo cartridges up front and +20mm Bitubo shocks in the back and the difference from stock is incredible. If you are looking around on this forum wondering if you should upgrade your suspension, I could not recommend it more highly.
I'm not. Not many upgrade their suspension, and the rare few that do hardly ever post anything. One of the best things you can spend your money on for the V7/85TT/9 series. Thanks for your post and business!
 
Bitubo shocks from GTM were a game changer. This should be the first mod, but people seem to get caught up in doing exhaust first. Looking to do the forks now to balance it out.
I'm not. Not many upgrade their suspension, and the rare few that do hardly ever post anything. One of the best things you can spend your money on for the V7/85TT/9 series. Thanks for your post and business!
I know you sell both so I won't ask which is 'better,' but are there any significant differences between the Bitubo and Matris fork kits? Price aside.
 
I know you sell both so I won't ask which is 'better,' but are there any significant differences between the Bitubo and Matris fork kits? Price aside.
No, very similar. Some people just like to have matching brands front and rear, so we offer both.
 
Had a scary moment the other day while I was traveling 90 MPH on the Oklahoma Turnpike. Hit a rough patch that bucked me off my seat while my bars were simultaneously shaking back and forth. Longest two seconds of my life.

So it's time to get serious about that suspension upgrade. 😅 My question is...are the Bitubo and Matris shocks and fork internals my only options? Which would be better suited for a lighter rider(130lbs)? Would I benefit from a piggyback tank if I'm primarily riding on paved road and only occasionally on sections of gravel or dirt? Which would be more easily serviceable? I plan to have this bike forever so longevity and ease of service is important to me.

I love the look of the Ohlins SE Blackline shocks and it's the brand I'm most familiar with as a mountain biker, but am not sure if those would be compatible with my bike (2023 V7 850 SE). I saw the GT shop had Ohlins available for previous models but not for the newer 850s.

Any advise is appreciated, thanks y'all!
 
Don't over look Shock Factory rear shocks. They are what I have on the v85 and v7III. Made exactly for your specs. Very reasonable price.
You can get away with just fork springs, but the full Matris kit is much better.
Can you tell people to visit the (GTM) STORE link above here(?). Sales there help keep this site alive.
 
My bike has the matris front inserts and bitubo rears. I got the bike at a great price (less than stock bikes) but with these mods already in place.

Awesome upgrades!
 
I purchased the Shock Factory 2WS shocks and a Matris fork kit for my 2023 V7 from the GTM Store (check link above). I’m excited about the upgrade! While I have some experience working on cars, I’m not familiar with fork work. I have read on the forum and in the product reviews that the fork kit install is easy. I have read the instructions (English translated from Italian) that came with the kit and I’m not clear on how to do it. The less I know about something, the more literal I am. Is there a fork kit install outline for dummies? 😀. Thanks!
 
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I purchased the Shock Factory 2WS shocks and a Matris fork kit for my 2023 V7 from the GTM Store (check link above). I’m excited about the upgrade! While I have some experience working on cars, I’m not familiar with fork work. I have read on the forum and in the product reviews that the fork kit install is easy. I have read the instructions (English translated from Italian) that came with the kit and I’m not clear on how to do it. The less I know about something, the more literal I am. Is there a fork kit install outline for dummies? 😀. Thanks!
Same setup here. Installed the shocks and will be doing forks soon. I'll send you my cheat sheet / notes if you like. I agree the included instructions are for someone who has done it before, and are not clear.
 
I purchased the Shock Factory 2WS shocks and a Matris fork kit for my 2023 V7 from the GTM Store (check link above)
Appreciate the business (and link note!). It's important when asking about products, to note what you purchased here. The FKE vs. F15K cartridge kit are very different. The FKE kit, if the bike is new enough, it can be done on bike, however you'll need to raise the forks to unscrew the fork cap, which is a good time to leave them @10-15mm up anyway. If you are changing the fork oil as well, best to remove them to pump out the oil. There's likely many online videos using Google to show the basics for standard damper rod forks. I've added the general how-to to the first post above.
 
Thanks! I have the FKE fork kit (while not specific to my question, I have the 2WS shocks that are +20 mm) from the GTM Store. I think the explanation above is enough to get me to start installing the fork kit. I have a friend that is more experienced that I can reach out to. Thanks for the link to the magnetic grabber tool.
 
Thanks! I have the FKE fork kit (while not specific to my question, I have the 2WS shocks that are +20 mm) from the GTM Store. I think the explanation above is enough to get me to start installing the fork kit. I have a friend that is more experienced that I can reach out to. Thanks for the link to the magnetic grabber tool.
I have the same setup on my V7 850, and find it an immense improvement over stock (I’m 6’2, 200 lb.): an excellent value for what you get! I dropped the FKE kit in within the 1st 1000 miles (now have about 9000 miles on the bike). Very straightforward. I highly recommend this combo for those who want to upgrade suspension, but are budget conscious (read: cheap). ;)
 
I'm looking to upgrade my '22 V7 850 Stone's suspension. Any recommendations for a fork kit and rear shocks for an older fairly conservative 180 lb. rider who wants more comfort and control on broken and choppy pavement like that commonly found on country roads and lesser maintained city streets? I want to keep the ride height the same and am assuming I just need rebound and pre-load adjustability since my Concours has that front and rear and rides nice.

TIA!
 
I'm looking to upgrade my '22 V7 850 Stone's suspension. Any recommendations for a fork kit and rear shocks for an older fairly conservative 180 lb. rider who wants more comfort and control on broken and choppy pavement like that commonly found on country roads and lesser maintained city streets? I want to keep the ride height the same and am assuming I just need rebound and pre-load adjustability since my Concours has that front and rear and rides nice.

TIA!
Click the "Store" tab in the red bar at the top of the page. This will take you to GTM's store and show you options available. GTM owns and operates this forum as technical assistance for us enthusiasts.:) (I'm sure you know this, just being Captain Obvious.)
 
I’m in the simple process of swapping out and upgrading my rear shocks on my 2023 V7 Stone. I have to 2WS shocks from GTM. Check out the Store link above. I ran into a problem by breaking off one of the mounting bolts when loosening the bolt to remove the original shock. This surprised me given that this is a newer bike. I noticed that there was a lot of blue Locktite on the other bolts that I was able to remove - maybe that was a contributing factor. I made things worse by breaking off a screw extractor while attempting to remove the broken bolt. I made an appointment for a local shop to try to fix it. I’m posting this here just as a tip to be careful even with newer bikes. I’m not sure how I could have avoided breaking the bolt in the first place. I hope to be reporting back soon on how these beautiful new 2WS shocks work on my bike!
 
GTM,

I wish I knew of this site earlier with the switch to MG's (2024 V7 and 2025 V85TT).

My problem is the rear suspension. Should I cut and run on my S36PR1C1 Ohlins?
They came with straight rate 32 N/mm rear springs and I weigh 140 pounds birthday suit.
So, so STIFF. Awful. I changed springs twice, 60480-12 (16-26 N/mm) and then to 60480-50 (12-14.3 N/mm).
But, the damping is, to my way of thinking, going to be way off if it was valved for the original 32 N/mm springs, yes?
I have the damping and rebound near the minimum and the ride is really hard, still.
The people at UNIT GARAGE are out of spec on these it seems, for my weight.

Being so expensive to re-valve, and I don't need super bike fade resistance (the Ohlins are probably over kill) should I save-up and buy from you your recommendation for shocks and my weight? I'm way, way lighter than most people. Stuff is set-up for 50 more pounds than I carry around. I have the MATRIS F15K cartridge forks inserts with 6.5 springs and 5W oil installed and that seems to be pretty good.

For what it is worth, the KYB's on the V85TT are a Cadillac! So stuff can be a lot better.

I bought all the full BREMBO 15RCS brake kit upgrade from you yesterday as the V7's brakes, to me, are unsafe because they need so, so much lever pressure to stop and have no feel at all at the tire. I need super bike STOPPING not necessarily the getting going fast. 70 MPH to zero is the same no matter the bike you are on. I need brakes. The V85TT's brakes are a world apart better as is the suspension.

Thank you.
 
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