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New V7/85 65hp for 2021

GTM® said:
Vincenzo... but if they’re smart they’ll pull the plug on the V9, and drop some good Le Mans stylistic cues on it.
The original 1100 Cals in the late ‘90s/early ‘00s made 59 rwhp stock. Exhaust and tuning got them to 65 up to 72 rwhp. The V85 engine puts it square in the hunt to the big block, and a great deal lighter. However before getting too excited, the big block can get to 90 rwhp now with not much effort.
I really would’ve love to have seen a monoshock like the V85TT. I still might have to do the one I’m thinking of.
All in all, the next logical step and not too surprising really.
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Really - it’s impossible to imagine what is driving the direction of all but a few very focused companies, once those &$#@%€£¥§ Marketing guys or the Pencil necked Bean counters get involved - I can all go to hell in a hand-basket in short order !

Ps: And I’m not for a minute saying I could do a better job, but I would build something I would personably like to ride, not try and imagine what the Public wants to ride...
 
DeadEye said:
Hmmm, the angle on that rear shock is really quite different , what is that going to do the the ride, softer ??
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old school motocross days they called thay "lay-down" shocks. A cheap way of getting more travel and a plusher feel from the pogos.

If you look close, there are close wound coils at each end of the spring, not sure if my v7 springs are wound like that.. ill have to go home and look. so the spring is soft at both ends with a stiff bit in the middle...
 
So does this mean that MG effectively have 3 different small block 850 engines? Are they all the same basic engine with small tweaks, or are they actually different engines? Why such large(ish) power/torque differences in what are, ostensibly the same (or very similar) engine?
 
Dinsdale Piranha said:
So does this mean that MG effectively have 3 different small block 850 engines? Are they all the same basic engine with small tweaks, or are they actually different engines? Why such large(ish) power/torque differences in what are, ostensibly the same (or very similar) engine?
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I would call it two, the Mk III engine and the V85TT engine (which is considerably different hence the power increase). By their wording, the V7 III (& V9) may go away completely.
 
Maybe the euro5 is one of the reasons behind this engine upgrade on the V7...? This also means an annual tax increases from 58€ to 129€ here.

Wonder if the prices remain roughly the same, around 8k for the stone and 10k for the special (€).

Have to say, that special looks very nice.
 
dale decrescenzo said:
If you look close, there are close wound coils at each end of the spring, not sure if my v7 springs are wound like that.. ill have to go home and look. so the spring is soft at both ends with a stiff bit in the middle...
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They are not, and you have the coil winds opposite in your wording. Funny how Guzzi is resorting to 60/70s dirt-bike "technology" for the rear shock geometry. :smirk:
Galluzzi's wording on IG was "The new V7 850 now has much needed updates..."
 
The local shop told me they quit making the roamer leaving the bobber and quit making the mgx. Thats too bad. I thought the mgx was pretty cool.
 
Miguel Gomes said:
Maybe the euro5 is one of the reasons behind this engine upgrade on the V7...? This also means an annual tax increases from 58€ to 129€ here. Wonder if the prices remain roughly the same, around 8k for the stone and 10k for the special (€).
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No, the Mk III motor was designed to far exceed Euro5. On pure displacement, I would expect to see a cost increase. I imagine they may sell NOS V7 Mk III still.
 
senecagreen said:
The local shop told me they quit making the roamer leaving the bobber and quit making the mgx. Thats too bad. I thought the mgx was pretty cool.
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Per above, I expect to see the V9B go away as well, as it was a sales flop/failure in large.
The MGX was over-priced and a bit of an ill-handling beast for the otherwise solid 1400... as the Registry shows; https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/cal1400-registry-pics-thread-add-your-bike.11538/ -- most of the MGX purchases were fire-sale pricing, at least all of the ones I am aware of. I was one who signed up for early purchase when it was announced, but the OTD pricing far exceeded US$25k, which I would be quite upset had I spent that.
 
GTM® said:
Per above, I expect to see the V9B go away as well, as it was a sales flop/failure in large.
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I do not doubt you, but i have to ask why you think the V9 flopped. Was it based on price point in the market (as i would assume).
and if so, is placing the V9 engine into the V7 family going to create the same issue ?
This WILL raise the price of the new V7 and performance numbers are still coming from an air cooled twin. and the standard market seems to be getting more and more options...
 
dale decrescenzo said:
I do not doubt you, but i have to ask why you think the V9 flopped. Was it based on price point in the market (as i would assume). and if so, is placing the V9 engine into the V7 family going to create the same issue ?
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No offense to those that own them, for me (and I did own one that I V7-ized); Styling, small fuel tank, lazy engine, odd wheel sizes/handling, and terrible seat/peg placement. The engine is from the V85TT, not the V9. If you haven't ridden a V85 yet, you'll understand the minute you do. With little debate, this makes my 820cc kit a bargain (for all those that own one now), if the MSRP for the new V7-850 is over or near US$10990 for the base Stone as I expect it to be. If it's less, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
GTM® said:
I would call it two, the Mk III engine and the V85TT engine (which is considerably different hence the power increase). By their wording, the V7 III (& V9) may go away completely.
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My guess is, V7III and V9 will go away as soon as stock is depleted... whenever that happens to be. I'd be surprised if they hadn't already stopped production of those models some time ago.

__Jason
 
harris said:
I don't get why it's quoted as having 65 bhp when the V85 has 70 something.
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It doesn't, see the dyno charts. This is the same engine as the V85TT...

HarrierGod said:
I like it and it looks like Moto Guzzi is moving in the right direction. Not far enough in the right direction to sway me from my current V9/7 conversion though. Actually the new V7 850 looks like it’s just a factory V9/7 conversion, with the V9 engine not the V85. I’m looking forward to what else they are doing with the 853cc engine.
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I can promise you it's the V85TT engine. A simple timing chest cover swap is all that's needed on the engine. The wider swingarm/wheel from the V9 was added finally. Wish they had just used the V85TT mono-shock set up... though visually I can understand why they didn't.
 
Miguel Gomes said:
Maybe the euro5 is one of the reasons behind this engine upgrade on the V7...? This also means an annual tax increases from 58€ to 129€ here.

Wonder if the prices remain roughly the same, around 8k for the stone and 10k for the special (€).

Have to say, that special looks very nice.
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Are you talking about the tax disc cost which equates to North American tag or plate fees ?
It doubles when you go from 750 to 850 wow !
 
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