V100 saddlebags note and warning!

[scottmastrocinque]

John sure made a simple and elegant solution. I will be doing that to mine too when I finally get the bags mounted.

 

[South Westerly]

I was planning something similar but just using drop nose pins instead. Same principle but possibly slightly less secure. Having already lost a pannier I will probably adopt this option instead.

 

[eitanshay]

this is fantastic. thank you for the detailed instructions, @John in PA
I was able to drop my left saddlebag coming out of my garage ...
I just completed installing the safety pins on my bike, and hoping to never drop these saddlebags again.

 

[Kevin.NZ]

Ive engraved my details on the underside of the bag so if it does dislodge hopefully a kind member of the public could return it.

 

[South Westerly]

Mine wasnt marked but it vanished in about a half hour as that was the time between me knowing I had it and realising I didn't. On a small English road as well not a highway. Kind of peeved about that.

 

[MG_Rider]

Pinned! Thanks John!

 

[scottmastrocinque]

Ive engraved my details on the underside of the bag so if it does dislodge hopefully a kind member of the public could return it.

That’s brilliant!

 

[moparnut72]

I am wondering if those who have lost a bag had the pillion seat securely fastened? It is what locks the bags in place.
kk

 

[South Westerly]

When I lost my pannier I almost lost the pillion seat. It was just sitting loose on the tail of the bike. Quite how I didn't lose that as well I have no idea but luckily I didn't. Obviously I hadn't secured the seat properly. Guess what I really, really check before I take the bike out every time?

 

[MG02]

I have looked a the above information. Noting this was discussed around the 23 Feb to 18 Jun 2023.
Recently (March 2024) after I was riding my V85TT (had driven around 10,000km total) and I stopped to note that my right side pannier was gone. Next day my son was rising along the side road and found the pannier. It was approximately of it fell 50km off my ride. So this is a real issue.
I have tried to work out how the pannier could have fallen off the pannier but can not work that out. The pannier fell off with the key locked in position and the catches in position.
Off course I am now unsure that I can trust the pannier from not falling off in the future.
Would appreciate any advice.

 

[indygodave]

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I have looked a the above information. Noting this was discussed around the 23 Feb to 18 Jun 2023.
Recently (March 2024) after I was riding my V85TT (had driven around 10,000km total) and I stopped to note that my right side pannier was gone. Next day my son was rising along the side road and found the pannier. It was approximately of it fell 50km off my ride. So this is a real issue.
I have tried to work out how the pannier could have fallen off the pannier but can not work that out. The pannier fell off with the key locked in position and the catches in position.
Off course I am now unsure that I can trust the pannier from not falling off in the future.
Would appreciate any advice.

I do not have useful advice, but will post my experience for what it's worth. V100 panniers have the same history. First ride from taking delivery I made a re-newbie rider error and let it tip over on a very uneven driveway, off the pavement edge and onto a dip in the gravel shoulder. and scraped the left bag loose, causing a bit of damage to one of the retaining knobs of the pannier.
Since I was using a sturdy leather "fanny-pack" for my Insta360 camera bits, I strapped the belt between the pannier handles, over the passenger seat. That takes some of the weight off the mounts but could be a disaster if one came loose and became a battle-flail on the move. The pannier still fits and locks, but I do strap them together. When not using the camera kit, I have a military-surplus quick-release strap.

 

[scottmastrocinque]

I think John Wells has the most simple and elegant solution to this issue. It’s in another thread.

Saddlebags added security -- SOLVED!

I finally got around to addressing the desire for a redundant safety lock for the side cases on the V100. Two 3/16" marine-stainless steel safety coupler pins here (cost around $11), masking tape, a Sharpie, a sharp 3/16" drill, and 20 minutes time, and there's a fail-safe method for securing...

www.guzzitech.com

 

[Glen72]

Just make sure that the front pin is all the way in and forward. It is possible to mount the bags with only the back pin fastened. The front pin is the only one that is locked by the seat. If not, the bag may stay in place for quite a while before the rear pin eventually vibrates rearward and releases the bag. You probably won't even hear it come off ( speaking from experience). Also, make sure you have a firm grip on the handle when taking a bag off as it can release suddenly and fall on the floor. Good luck!

 

[South Westerly]

I reckon that's what happened to mine. I never knew it had gone until I stopped at a junction and saw my lopsided shadow.

 

[Glen72]

My spare locks that came with the bike were in the bag that fell off. Replacement bag came with a new set of locks so now I am stck with using two keys, one for the bike and one for the bags. I know the original key number but ordering new tumblers is probably a hassle so I'll just keep using the two keys. This isn't the only bike that has bags that fall off. The early BMW's with Krausers were notorious for this, that's why you will see most of them with straps around each bag today. I even had a bag on my Kawasaki C14 Concours (GTR) come off once. The only bags that never fell off were the British Cravens and Givi.

 

[scottmastrocinque]

I’ve been meaning to create a video on how to rekey these tumblers.

I used to do it almost daily when I was at BMW. It’s not hard if you are shown how to do it. You just have to avoid shooting the tiny springs across the room!

The only problem in complete rekeying, is having enough tumbler plates (back at BMW I had hundreds and I bet I could order some too) but even then it can easily be overcome if you only have just one matching plate to your key, which happens virtually never. There are always 2 or more that match up.

In a pinch, I used to set the first plate and the last plate in the tumbler, to the existing key, ignoring the plates in between.

Yes, if somebody wanted to “pick” the lock, it would be “easier” to pick 2 plates as opposed to 4 or 5 plates but in my whole life, I have yet to meet the person who ever claimed that their saddlebags were picked open and their stuff stolen. It is so much easier to just use a very small pry rod to pry the bag right off the bike, drive it home, and break into it at their leisure.

So I will make this video soon and post it here in Guzzi Tech. I think people would like this.

 

[South Westerly]

I certainly would although I have spare barrels and could at least have both my panniers on the same key.

 

[Glen72]

Changing plates would be good to know. I have one spare original barrel and lots of others that I could use for parts. Look forward to seeing your video on how to change the plates.

 

[MG02]

I looked at some comments. The square section that fits on the side of the key barrel on the V85TT pannier does have a lot of play which could allow the device to move. I estimate around 4 to 6mm.
I think it is movement, vibration/speed and right/left at the exactly position to allow the panniers to fall of. So some bad luck.
I saw the comment from John in PA and I can see how fitting the Safety Coupler will work (fitted on the bottom). I will try that.
Thanks everybody.

 

[BDS]

I saw the comment from John in PA and I can see how fitting the Safety Coupler will work (fitted on the bottom). I will try that.
Thanks everybody.

I can attest John’s safety mod is cheap, quick and easy to incorporate . The peace of mind is worth it.