Freebirdbeachbum
Cruisin' Guzzisti
Let's assume I had a ran-when-disassembled but complete '73 Eldorado in boxes. The engine and gearbox are not disassembled BTW. What's it worth?
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What's It Worth?
- Thread starter Freebirdbeachbum
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Only what someone is willing to pay for it. Ran when parked or disassembled is a red flag to many. I recommend contacting Harper's Moto Guzzi and see if they will buy it for the parts if you are in a hurry to move it. If you are looking to purchase, it was disassembled for a reason. Find out the reason. If to do a restoration, you will have that cost plus many hours of labor to put it all back together. I would only offer about $500.00 for it and then decide to part it, restore it, or just assemble it. It is an old bike so it may have some issues that need to be addressed. An example is the cylinders were chrome lined. You don't want to start an old engine with these cylinders. Giladoni cylinders and pistons would run you about $800.00 when you include all the gaskets and o-rings required.
Amboman
Cruisin' Guzzisti
It depends on the condition of the parts - clean with some patina, or rusted and corroded? Police or civilian? Bodywork in original paint or repainted? Original cylinders with chrome-plated bores? How many miles? For reference, I sold a '73 civilian Eldo basketcase with bodywork in all original paint, still had chrome bores, clean with no rust or corrosion for $2500 two years ago.
He must have really wanted an Eldorado!
Freebirdbeachbum
Cruisin' Guzzisti
Albeit a couple of years old, my pricing guide indicates $2,500 for this year and model in #6 condition (there’s no #7 condition BTW) which gives me an idea of the upper end of the range confirmed by your actual experience.
Amboman
Cruisin' Guzzisti
No, not at all. Nice, original paint bodywork is worth most of that. If it had been rattle-canned by Hillbilly Joe's brother-in-law, then it would have still been worth $1k.
tooooo many questions here to answer. the condition of things like rims, instruments, mufflers, and fuel tank are pretty critical.
Freebirdbeachbum
Cruisin' Guzzisti
For me, it’s the condition of the paint/bodywork that moves the price needle most significantly.
Not in my market area. Guzzis go dirt cheap.
My area, I haven't Seen a Guzzi for sale....ever.
Freebirdbeachbum
Cruisin' Guzzisti
More info:
-Engine complete rebuild in 2002
-Gearbox serviced in 2004
-Bike disassembled in 2004 for restoration
-$1500 in resto parts purchased from MG Cycle never installed still in packaging
-Frame powdercoated and tin painted in 2004 (too bad none was in black)
-Wheels/spokes clean w/o cracks, beaks or rust
-Sitting in garage in boxes since 2004
-a few pics of before disassembly and now attached
I did make a deal on this and picked it up on Saturday but would like to know what you think a fair price would have been.
-Engine complete rebuild in 2002
-Gearbox serviced in 2004
-Bike disassembled in 2004 for restoration
-$1500 in resto parts purchased from MG Cycle never installed still in packaging
-Frame powdercoated and tin painted in 2004 (too bad none was in black)
-Wheels/spokes clean w/o cracks, beaks or rust
-Sitting in garage in boxes since 2004
-a few pics of before disassembly and now attached
I did make a deal on this and picked it up on Saturday but would like to know what you think a fair price would have been.
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in my area a running, complete eldorado bottoms out at around $3000. This one has some nice paint - assuming it is nice, and you actually like the colour.
but, as it's disassembled we can't really consider the engine to be 'running'. a newly rebuilt engine that's never been run is almost worse, to me, than a non-running engine that I can at least diagnose. unless you were confident in the shop that did the work I suppose. I've never had a shop like that local to me, but I'm told they exist.
I'm not sure about the blue frame, I don't think I would consider that 'added value' personally...
I certainly shy away from disassembled bikes. lots of damage can be done during disassembly, and ensuring it's really complete is difficult.
but new parts are good! I would be happy to pay $1.5-2k for this in my home market. helped by the fact that I very much want an early eldorado.
but, as it's disassembled we can't really consider the engine to be 'running'. a newly rebuilt engine that's never been run is almost worse, to me, than a non-running engine that I can at least diagnose. unless you were confident in the shop that did the work I suppose. I've never had a shop like that local to me, but I'm told they exist.
I'm not sure about the blue frame, I don't think I would consider that 'added value' personally...
I certainly shy away from disassembled bikes. lots of damage can be done during disassembly, and ensuring it's really complete is difficult.
but new parts are good! I would be happy to pay $1.5-2k for this in my home market. helped by the fact that I very much want an early eldorado.
Looking at the before picture, he should have left it alone.
Vagrant
GT Reference
I'm no fashion expert, but the last thing I would do is put those two colors together.
Freebirdbeachbum
Cruisin' Guzzisti
The color choices are not for me so that didnt add vaue. I'm going to repaint all in black but at least I know its all clean and straight.
Freebirdbeachbum
Cruisin' Guzzisti
The mechanical work was done by two local shops i'm very familiar with and trust. The PO said it ran great until 2004 when he lost all but 4th gear on a ride, removed the gearbox and had it serviced, then decided to take the bike apart and restore it.
Were Gilardoni cylinders and pistons installed? If not that is the first thing that needs to be done.
Freebirdbeachbum
Cruisin' Guzzisti
The invoice copy doesnt indicate the manufacturer, only that two cylinders and pistons were purchased at a total cost of $700. Based on this, the BMW/Triumph/MG dealer service department that did the work, and the discussion with the PO about how it was running prior to the disassembly, that's not the first thing i'm going to do.
That means it was done. Check.
You words feel a touch disrespectful to John. Listen to his advice when he gives it. A rare few here in which to do so, and he's one.
Sorry, but however a nice and honest, straight up guy you are ,the buyer won’t know you from Adam or a snake oil salesman.
When it’s our own bike, we take it personally..
But you won’t be selling it to yourself, so be prepared for John Q Public…
Together and running - you’ve got a proposition,
New paint and parts in boxes, it’s a crapshoot !
if it’s ready to go - reassemble it, or get someone to do it…otherwise it *may* still be in those boxes… years from now ;(
Sorry.
Don
When it’s our own bike, we take it personally..
But you won’t be selling it to yourself, so be prepared for John Q Public…
Together and running - you’ve got a proposition,
New paint and parts in boxes, it’s a crapshoot !
if it’s ready to go - reassemble it, or get someone to do it…otherwise it *may* still be in those boxes… years from now ;(
Sorry.
Don