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Oh No - Not Tires

So, lemme get this straight. You've had guys put a set of Michelin Commander II's in 180/65/16 on the rear with good results? No need for recalibration of anything? (forget speedo, who cares). And the only difficulty was in getting the thinner tire to bead on the rim? Will my ape mechanic be able to do it? I've got Metzeler marathons on, I replaced the stock with -- they're not much better. Grip is meh and already at less than 4K miles they're showing decent wear..........I know this bike can handle, but it needs a set of tires capable of pulling the 'sport' out of this sport cruiser.............
 
Dan Dicker said:
So, lemme get this straight. You've had guys put a set of Michelin Commander II's in 180/65/16 on the rear with good results? No need for recalibration of anything? (forget speedo, who cares). And the only difficulty was in getting the thinner tire to bead on the rim? Will my ape mechanic be able to do it? I've got Metzeler marathons on, I replaced the stock with -- they're not much better. Grip is meh and already at less than 4K miles they're showing decent wear..........I know this bike can handle, but it needs a set of tires capable of pulling the 'sport' out of this sport cruiser.............
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Can't fault the Avon Cobras for wear or grip.
 
Robert Gibson said:
Can't fault the Avon Cobras for wear or grip.
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I've had Avons on other bikes - actually other Guzzis. I won't doubt that they're perhaps a bit better than the ME880, but since the Avon was built as a direct competitor to the ME880, using precisely the same build plan, and having read everything about them, I'm also guessing they're not world beaters either. Yet the MCII has gotten nothing but raves for years from cruiser riders, and I'm also guessing that the smaller rear width would do wonders for the steering speed --

This bike isn't like other cruisers -- it revs harder, with remnants of that racing tonti chassis -- it wants to hoon around the corner, it ain't no Harley....yet it has the fewest tire choices, all of them are pretty crap, and it burns rubber out faster than any other 700-lb bike that I've ever seen before does. My bike has 11k miles on it and is getting pretty ready for tire set number three. And that ain't no joke, particularly since a tire change requires removal of the entire exhaust system!

Yeah, I want a faster steering, stickier and longer lasting tire for this bike. It's the real limitation to getting the most of what this bike's capable of ........out of it.........
 
Dan Dicker said:
I've had Avons on other bikes - actually other Guzzis. I won't doubt that they're perhaps a bit better than the ME880, but since the Avon was built as a direct competitor to the ME880, using precisely the same build plan, and having read everything about them, I'm also guessing they're not world beaters either. Yet the MCII has gotten nothing but raves for years from cruiser riders, and I'm also guessing that the smaller rear width would do wonders for the steering speed --

This bike isn't like other cruisers -- it revs harder, with remnants of that racing tonti chassis -- it wants to hoon around the corner, it ain't no Harley....yet it has the fewest tire choices, all of them are pretty crap, and it burns rubber out faster than any other 700-lb bike that I've ever seen before does. My bike has 11k miles on it and is getting pretty ready for tire set number three. And that ain't no joke, particularly since a tire change requires removal of the entire exhaust system!

Yeah, I want a faster steering, stickier and longer lasting tire for this bike. It's the real limitation to getting the most of what this bike's capable of ........out of it.........
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3rd set in 11k miles - jeez are you doing tricks and burnouts on them :happy: I'm still on my first OEM set with plenty of tread left and I have the equivalent of 9.5k miles on them.
 
Dan Dicker said:
I've had Avons on other bikes - actually other Guzzis. I won't doubt that they're perhaps a bit better than the ME880, but since the Avon was built as a direct competitor to the ME880, using precisely the same build plan, and having read everything about them, I'm also guessing they're not world beaters either. Yet the MCII has gotten nothing but raves for years from cruiser riders, and I'm also guessing that the smaller rear width would do wonders for the steering speed --

This bike isn't like other cruisers -- it revs harder, with remnants of that racing tonti chassis -- it wants to hoon around the corner, it ain't no Harley....yet it has the fewest tire choices, all of them are pretty crap, and it burns rubber out faster than any other 700-lb bike that I've ever seen before does. My bike has 11k miles on it and is getting pretty ready for tire set number three. And that ain't no joke, particularly since a tire change requires removal of the entire exhaust system!

Yeah, I want a faster steering, stickier and longer lasting tire for this bike. It's the real limitation to getting the most of what this bike's capable of ........out of it.........
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“Not world beaters?” What exactly are you looking for?

“All of them are pretty crap...” Why are you here then?

If you’ve not run Avon Cobra tires, then respectfully, you’re drawing unwarranted conclusions.

The ME880 and the Avon are completely different tires...outside of the fact that they are both round and black.

“It’s the real limitation to getting the most of what this bike’s capable of.” If today’s available tire selections are limiting the bike, that pretty much warrants a YouTube video showing what you’re talking about. Frankly, it’s hard to fathom.
 
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I have been researching the pros and cons of it for a while now, and have decided to give the dark side a try. I do realize that I will surely burst into flames, and very possibly cause a black hole to swallow up the entire planet by even contemplating this forbidden act, but I am going to try it, none the less.
I have ordered a 195/65r16, as it looks to be the closest in size to a 200/60r16.
Yes, I do realize that the flat profile will take some getting used to, but I am curious enough to give it a shot.
Going to have about 7,000 miles on the stock rear tire, but it is pretty well done.
Really curious how many miles I will get out of a car tire.
Wish me luck! :-)
 
just James said:
I have been researching the pros and cons of it for a while now, and have decided to give the dark side a try. I do realize that I will surely burst into flames, and very possibly cause a black hole to swallow up the entire planet by even contemplating this forbidden act, but I am going to try it, none the less.
I have ordered a 195/65r16, as it looks to be the closest in size to a 200/60r16.
Yes, I do realize that the flat profile will take some getting used to, but I am curious enough to give it a shot.
Going to have about 7,000 miles on the stock rear tire, but it is pretty well done.
Really curious how many miles I will get out of a car tire.
Wish me luck! :)
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Now that’s gutsy!
 
Dan Dicker said:
I've had Avons on other bikes - actually other Guzzis. I won't doubt that they're perhaps a bit better than the ME880, but since the Avon was built as a direct competitor to the ME880, using precisely the same build plan, and having read everything about them, I'm also guessing they're not world beaters either. Yet the MCII has gotten nothing but raves for years from cruiser riders, and I'm also guessing that the smaller rear width would do wonders for the steering speed --

This bike isn't like other cruisers -- it revs harder, with remnants of that racing tonti chassis -- it wants to hoon around the corner, it ain't no Harley....yet it has the fewest tire choices, all of them are pretty crap, and it burns rubber out faster than any other 700-lb bike that I've ever seen before does. My bike has 11k miles on it and is getting pretty ready for tire set number three. And that ain't no joke, particularly since a tire change requires removal of the entire exhaust system!

Yeah, I want a faster steering, stickier and longer lasting tire for this bike. It's the real limitation to getting the most of what this bike's capable of ........out of it.........
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Can't see how a tyre change necessitates removing the exhaust. I removed the muffler mounting bolts to gain access to the axle and use a wheel chock and scissor lift which raises the bike sufficiently to remove the wheel.
 

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just James said:
I have been researching the pros and cons of it for a while now, and have decided to give the dark side a try. I do realize that I will surely burst into flames, and very possibly cause a black hole to swallow up the entire planet by even contemplating this forbidden act, but I am going to try it, none the less.
I have ordered a 195/65r16, as it looks to be the closest in size to a 200/60r16.
Yes, I do realize that the flat profile will take some getting used to, but I am curious enough to give it a shot.
Going to have about 7,000 miles on the stock rear tire, but it is pretty well done.
Really curious how many miles I will get out of a car tire.
Wish me luck! :)
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I'd be more concerned about kissing my insurance goodbye, also wouldn't even get close to passing the annual inspection over here.
 
just James said:
I have been researching the pros and cons of it for a while now, and have decided to give the dark side a try. I do realize that I will surely burst into flames, and very possibly cause a black hole to swallow up the entire planet by even contemplating this forbidden act, but I am going to try it, none the less.
I have ordered a 195/65r16, as it looks to be the closest in size to a 200/60r16.
Yes, I do realize that the flat profile will take some getting used to, but I am curious enough to give it a shot.
Going to have about 7,000 miles on the stock rear tire, but it is pretty well done.
Really curious how many miles I will get out of a car tire.
Wish me luck! :)
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I implore you not to o this! Car tires and motorcycles are about as similar as a lion and a house cat. They are completely different it their construction, reinforcements, flexibility’s, ability to maintain shape during rotation, virtually everything. If you even pulled this off, the results would be so poor and utterly dangerous, I cannot even begin to describe.

DO NOT DO THIS! YOU WILL REGRET IT I PROMISE YOU AND IT COULD COST YOU YOUR LIFE!
 
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And the best part...............I can protect myself and my family with an actual firearm that I carry at all times.
Seems that you guys used to have a lot of freedom too. Sad.
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Sorry, not exactly sure where that came from. Can't see what its got to do with anything relating to MG.
 
Robert Gibson said:
Sorry, not exactly sure where that came from. Can't see what its got to do with anything relating to MG.
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Yeah, I realized that my statement probably seemed out of place after I posted it.
The way it ties in is that I love freedom, and I don't like it when the government micro-manages people's lives, as it does when it allows us to utilize the vehicles of our choosing IF those vehicles pass some government inspection.
Many European countries seem to have inched closer and closer to a socialist type of society where in the government has more and more control over the citizen's lives, and the people have less and less freedom.
I see our right to keep and bear arms as the ultimate rejection of that form of government.
I apologize for not being more clear in my original statement, and in hindsight, maybe this forum is not really the place for that topic.
Cheers, James
 
scottmastrocinque said:
I implore you not to o this! Car tires and motorcycles are about as similar as a lion and a house cat. They are completely different it their construction, reinforcements, flexibility’s, ability to maintain shape during rotation, virtually everything. If you even pulled this off, the results would be so poor and utterly dangerous, I cannot even begin to describe.

DO NOT DO THIS! YOU WILL REGRET IT I PROMISE YOU AND IT COULD COST YOU YOUR LIFE!
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How many miles did you ride on one before coming to your apocalyptic conclusion? Or, how many other riders did you speak to who have ridden on one?
Sincerely asking, because all of the people that I have found who are totally against it are the ones who have never tried it. I have yet to hear of anyone crashing due to the fact that they were using a car tire. If you know of some, please let me know (with references, so I can read about it myself).
Not trying to be a jerk here, but I heard all of the reasons why it shouldn't work, and on the other hand, I have heard of many people who do it with no problems. The worst thing that I have heard from people who have tried it is that it takes some getting used to do to the flat profile. Some are fine with that, and others hate it.
I will give an honest report after I get it installed, and put a few miles on it. If I find that it is not for me, I will say so.
 
I HAVE BEEN RUNNING 120 / PILOT ROAD 4 ON THE FRONT WITH AVON 180 ON THE BACK, GREAT COMBO AND GETTING 8000 PLUS K'S FROM REAR HERE IN NZ. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE COMMANDER11' S BUT NEVER DONE IT, SHOULD BE GOOD AND INTERESTED IN RESULTS, NEW PILOT ROAD 5 GT 120 LOOKS LIKE THE ONE TO GO FOR NOW BEING THE NEW MODEL FOR THE FRONT.
 
just James said:
How many miles did you ride on one before coming to your apocalyptic conclusion? Or, how many other riders did you speak to who have ridden on one?
Sincerely asking, because all of the people that I have found who are totally against it are the ones who have never tried it. I have yet to hear of anyone crashing due to the fact that they were using a car tire. If you know of some, please let me know (with references, so I can read about it myself).
Not trying to be a jerk here, but I heard all of the reasons why it shouldn't work, and on the other hand, I have heard of many people who do it with no problems. The worst thing that I have heard from people who have tried it is that it takes some getting used to do to the flat profile. Some are fine with that, and others hate it.
I will give an honest report after I get it installed, and put a few miles on it. If I find that it is not for me, I will say so.
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Contrary to your protestations to the contrary, you are being a complete jerk and snotty as hell. That's fine. It's one of the things that those of us who have been here a long time, have put up with time and again. We try our best to offer information BASED UPON FACTS, in order to help others here, and people like you come out of the chute, loaded for bear, filled with the most amazing and completely ill-conceived and asenine ideas which are actually dangerous as hell and can get somebody seriously hurt or killed.

You obviously understand nothing about the engineering principles nor the physics of why and how a motorcycle works. I know, to you, it's just a big bicycle with a motor or just a two-wheeled car. NEWS FLASH: It's neither.

Read and learn about the physics involved.

https://www.amazon.com/How-Why-Moto...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=S1DDR36ACEM2R3W93QCK

and for a graduate level education I strongly suggest

https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-D..._rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=RKD0VGKANM0R1V58VNEV

If you want to hurt yourself, be my guest. I believe that people like you should be allowed to touch the proverbial stove until you burn yourself, because it is the only way you seem to learn however I will make a last ditch effort to offer an education to you, and perhaps prevent you from hurting some innocent person who cannot defend themselves from your foolishness, however I am sure you will reject all reason, science and logic in favor of your idiocy,

There are several good solid information sources out there about what you propose. Here is an excellent piece of technical information nevertheless.

https://www.goldwingfacts.com/forum...ferences-between-car-motorcycle-rim-tire.html
 
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