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Carked CARC
- Thread starterMike.C
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Mate bar risers haven't turned a wheel since (I think) 2 weeks ago, a small problem of the mill controller deciding not to play the game and being currently half way between here and Sydney after being checked out and found to be in perfect health, although last time I had my grubbly mits on it it was definitely not playing that game - maybe I have bad karma the number of times it has broken down 
Anyway problem is a tralier - being a cheapskate I am trying to borrow one and won't see my "mate" who owns one until tomorrow morning when I will use some gentle persuasion to get him to part with it for a few days
Anyway problem is a tralier - being a cheapskate I am trying to borrow one and won't see my "mate" who owns one until tomorrow morning when I will use some gentle persuasion to get him to part with it for a few days
Brian UK
GT Reference
Pity we don't have someone like Pete here in the UK.
I use a reputable Guzzi dealer, and their mechanic/part owner is the one who failed to register the service he did, so now Guzzi are saying the warranty is void.
And so it goes on.
I have emailed Guzzi again, and received a reply that my query has been passed on to the appropriate office, but nothing else. Not holding breath while waiting either.
Could you could send me a copy of the recall note? It might help my case a little as I thought there were some details of CARC serial numbers on there.
brianlec at o2.co.uk
Your worry, should they not play ball is the damage the swarf might have caused to the rest of the innards.
I use a reputable Guzzi dealer, and their mechanic/part owner is the one who failed to register the service he did, so now Guzzi are saying the warranty is void.
And so it goes on.
I have emailed Guzzi again, and received a reply that my query has been passed on to the appropriate office, but nothing else. Not holding breath while waiting either.
Could you could send me a copy of the recall note? It might help my case a little as I thought there were some details of CARC serial numbers on there.
brianlec at o2.co.uk
Your worry, should they not play ball is the damage the swarf might have caused to the rest of the innards.
Geordie
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ModEdit: On http://www.guzzitech.com go to /MGGriso/Files/BrevGris-Brng-Recall.pdf
Breva Ambulance ready to rock and roll
Took a couple of heart in mouth moments, quite a bit of grunting and after stuffing a couple of rags in the exhaust ports we will be ready to go tomorrow morning. I am going to get them to check the codes etc and agree to fix it under recall or not as the case may be before I leave it with them, so we will either be leaving him at Newell's tomorrow or bringing him home for local TLC.
Took a couple of heart in mouth moments, quite a bit of grunting and after stuffing a couple of rags in the exhaust ports we will be ready to go tomorrow morning. I am going to get them to check the codes etc and agree to fix it under recall or not as the case may be before I leave it with them, so we will either be leaving him at Newell's tomorrow or bringing him home for local TLC.
GrahamNZ
High Miler
Mike.C wrote:
Mike, remember I commented that in one of your photos I couldn't spot the thrower disc over the CARC oilseal area. That thrower was fitted as part of the recall. If yours has no thrower my guess is that it has not had the CARC recall done. Finers crossed.
BTW, If you need a copy of the recall I have itand yes by my reading of it my bike should have been done.
Mike, remember I commented that in one of your photos I couldn't spot the thrower disc over the CARC oilseal area. That thrower was fitted as part of the recall. If yours has no thrower my guess is that it has not had the CARC recall done. Finers crossed.
Brevabrabo
Cruisin' Guzzisti
And wathch out for bugs flying into your cylinders, with your exhaust dismounted. :huh:
Good luck with the repair.
Ciao Dolf.
Good luck with the repair.
Ciao Dolf.
Brian UK
GT Reference
Well, after reading the service note, it appears that my CARC is also within the recall range, having number 001554 stamped on it, and no R either.
Here we go again.
Problem is, I get the impression that the dealer would prefer not to do it as they don't make any money out of it. What Guzzi pay for warranty work is about half what they charge their customers by the hour.
Here we go again.
Problem is, I get the impression that the dealer would prefer not to do it as they don't make any money out of it. What Guzzi pay for warranty work is about half what they charge their customers by the hour.
This is not warranty work, this is a recall. They can't refuse to do it. Of course, you might find them less grumpy if you combine it with a service, and possibly some other work you'd like to have done... (wheel coming off -> new rear tyre, that sort of thing).
GrahamNZ
High Miler
For anyone used to doing their own oil changes and having common tools, exchanging a CARC themselves is easy. Lifting the thing is the hard part! Of course a bike with a cenrestand makes the whole task easier. Lubing the CARC input shaft splines with grease where they slide into the universal joint on the driveshaft is a good idea, as is applying a non-setting sealant to the face of the CARC where it abuts the swinging arm casing. That's to keep water out rather than oil in.
The bearing failure I experienced was with an exchanged CARC, and I recall someone else reporting similarly. Before adding oil to a new CARC is a good time to check for bearing play.
The bearing failure I experienced was with an exchanged CARC, and I recall someone else reporting similarly. Before adding oil to a new CARC is a good time to check for bearing play.
Penis Rotor
GT Godfather!
RJVB wrote:
I can't see any plausible reason for not doing it or being grumpy about it Rene? It's incredibly easy and takes about 20 minutes, maybe less on a Breva because you don't have the speedo sensor on the rear wheel so that's two less bolts t undo.
Basically though its
Brake off
Wheel off
Torque arm unbolt.
Undo four bolts and remove CARC.
Replacement is just a reverse of the above.
Pete
I can't see any plausible reason for not doing it or being grumpy about it Rene? It's incredibly easy and takes about 20 minutes, maybe less on a Breva because you don't have the speedo sensor on the rear wheel so that's two less bolts t undo.
Basically though its
Brake off
Wheel off
Torque arm unbolt.
Undo four bolts and remove CARC.
Replacement is just a reverse of the above.
Pete
Maybe I'm over-interpreting things, but my remark was based on what Brian wrote: "Problem is, I get the impression that the dealer would prefer not to do it as they don't make any money out of it. What Guzzi pay for warranty work is about half what they charge their customers by the hour."
Is there a reason why the non-ABS Breva and the Griso don't use the same speedo sensor setup?
Is there a reason why the non-ABS Breva and the Griso don't use the same speedo sensor setup?
3ackok
Cruisin' Guzzisti
GrahamNZ wrote:
Wow! How can it fail? Such a simple part, doing basically nothing.
Really?
Brevabrabo
Cruisin' Guzzisti
Well one can expect that, the bike tells you...
Burning My Way! :laugh:
Burning My Way! :laugh:
GrahamNZ
High Miler
3ackok
The breather tower was seeping oil slightly so I took a spanner to it and things didn't feel right so I unscrewed it to find that the coarse thread used had almost sheared at the root. No radiusing had been used.
I've already apologised for not keeping abreast of BMW inadequacies! Now that is a failure which could kill someone. Guzzi is best! Guzzi is best! 
The breather tower was seeping oil slightly so I took a spanner to it and things didn't feel right so I unscrewed it to find that the coarse thread used had almost sheared at the root. No radiusing had been used.
I've already apologised for not keeping abreast of BMW inadequacies!
Now that is a failure which could kill someone. Guzzi is best! Guzzi is best! GrahamNZ
High Miler
The bottom photo looks like a Kawasaki GTR1400 unit. Surely not the Japs too!
Why not the Japs too? Aren't you glad of seeing some proof they're human after all? :silly:
Seriously, no matter how well you design things, I don't believe you can have the asymmetric load on a single-sided swing arm and see less failures than with a symmetric design.
Seriously, no matter how well you design things, I don't believe you can have the asymmetric load on a single-sided swing arm and see less failures than with a symmetric design.
GrahamNZ
High Miler
RJVB
The Kawasaki GTR1400 doesn't have a single sided arm. It's a clever parallelogram system. The failure looks like an oil seal. Can happen to anyone. Now the BMW failure pictured looks like the works went BANG! :woohoo:
I wonder why the best race bikes use chains.........and telescopic forks!
The Kawasaki GTR1400 doesn't have a single sided arm. It's a clever parallelogram system.
The failure looks like an oil seal. Can happen to anyone. Now the BMW failure pictured looks like the works went BANG! :woohoo: I wonder why the best race bikes use chains.........and telescopic forks!
Brian UK
GT Reference
Geordie, no the bike is not off the road, but I am not doing any long trips until it has been sorted.
The oil seal is still tight, but could go any time, and I don't really want to risk that a long way from home.
On the who does it issue, the guy's words were (as far as I can remember) "we normally try to get them to go back to the dealer who sold them the bike."
But tough.
Pete, on the Norge, there is an ABS sensor to remove to, which must take at least another few microseconds.:laugh:
The oil seal is still tight, but could go any time, and I don't really want to risk that a long way from home.
On the who does it issue, the guy's words were (as far as I can remember) "we normally try to get them to go back to the dealer who sold them the bike."
But tough.
Pete, on the Norge, there is an ABS sensor to remove to, which must take at least another few microseconds.:laugh: