UpMap Q&A

[Theomarakas]

The upmap flash has fixed the infamous pinging for me. (2020 euro 4 bike)

Good to know because my 2021 V85tt when temperatures are above 75 degrees and stuck in traffic is nearly un rideable. Just installed the Rapid bike module from Todd, Haven't started the bike yet but I hope that it runs as good as my V9 also tuned by Todd. I opted for the Rapid Bike solution, frankly I don't know which is better, UpMap or Rapid bike.

 

[Chrisfer]

Good to know because my 2021 V85tt when temperatures are above 75 degrees and stuck in traffic is nearly un rideable. Just installed the Rapid bike module from Todd, Haven't started the bike yet but I hope that it runs as good as my V9 also tuned by Todd. I opted for the Rapid Bike solution, frankly I don't know which is better, UpMap or Rapid bike.

Hello, from my experience UpMap works very well.
On the other hand, Easy Rapid Bike did not make any satisfactory changes on my V7 III Euro4, just a slight change in functioning, I even carried out AFR measurements to find nothing positive...

 

[Theomarakas]

Hello, from my experience UpMap works very well.
On the other hand, Easy Rapid Bike did not make any satisfactory changes on my V7 III Euro4, just a slight change in functioning, I even carried out AFR measurements to find nothing positive...

Just curious, have you removed the catalytic converter, K&n filter, using a free flow exhaust and eliminated the SAS?
Rapid bike claims 2hp gains for the stock bike. However, once modified the gains are bigger. Or so they claim.
Personally, I want the bike to run well, not interested in HUGE power and compromised reliability.

 

[Chrisfer]

Just curious, have you removed the catalytic converter, K&n filter, using a free flow exhaust and eliminated the SAS?
Rapid bike claims 2hp gains for the stock bike. However, once modified the gains are bigger. Or so they claim.
Personally, I want the bike to run well, not interested in HUGE power and compromised reliability.

No cat, no canister, and Sprint filter for V7 III, no canister and High Flow Cat for my V7 850.
I don't notice any power gain, and don't expect any, even with UpMap, I just appreciate better engine running.

 

[Theomarakas]

No cat, and Sprint filter for V7 III, High Flow Cat for my V7 850.
I don't notice any power gain, and don't expect any, even with UpMap, I just appreciate better engine running.

That's exactly what I'm after. Smooth running without the high heat hiccups. I installed the EVO version, far different than the Easy.
The EASY just alters the signal from the O2 sensors. The EVO on the other hand is far more involved. Tomorrow I'll fire up the bike, I didn't finish putting everything back together last night.

 

[Chrisfer]

That's exactly what I'm after. Smooth running without the high heat hiccups. I installed the EVO version, far different than the Easy.
The EASY just alters the signal from the O2 sensors. The EVO on the other hand is far more involved. Tomorrow I'll fire up the bike, I didn't finish putting everything back together last night.

Yes It was the "Easy" Rapid Bike, not the EVO. EVO is a remapping

 

[th_01]

Here is what I found. I did 400 miles in 40-65 degree weather at varying altitudes and road conditions over a single day in Vermont. The bike pops off the line and pulls through the entire powerband. Seat of the pants performance is great. The quick response at the throttle is smooth and consistent at all speeds and situations. I like this map. There were NO flat spots , NO stuttering and NO throttle delay.
Gas mileage was in the mid - high 40's .
I too get popping most of the time on deceleration. I can live with the slight popping. I would do it again. Thanks Todd.
2021 V85

 

[GTM®]

Here is what I found. I did 400 miles in 40-65 degree weather at varying altitudes and road conditions over a single day in Vermont. The bike pops off the line and pulls through the entire powerband. Seat of the pants performance is great. The quick response at the throttle is smooth and consistent at all speeds and situations. I like this map. There were NO flat spots , NO stuttering and NO throttle delay.
Gas mileage was in the mid - high 40's .
I too get popping most of the time on deceleration. I can live with the slight popping. I would do it again. Thanks Todd.
2021 V85

Thanks for the feedback time. Remind me, you do the SAS and evap delete too?

 

[Hardster]

Hi all,

I’ve had my V7 850 e5 since February and from the get go experienced the fueling problems discussed here. In fact, if I hadn’t been reading this forum before I bought the bike, I would have been sorely disappointed with it as it stopped within one kilometre of the dealership when I picked it up (it was a stinker 34C day)! A quick twist of the fuel cap followed by a gush of air and I was on my way much to the joy of the traffic behind me. I did the evap delete (ala FedeleMotoGuzzi - thank you) but have not installed the SAS caps yet that I bought together with the Upmap device from GTM and started waiting (my bike is an EU model here in Australia). I emailed UpMap asking when they would become available and to my surprise they posted the extra with and without db killer maps soon after. Coincidence? I initially wasn’t sure if I could use the US spec maps or not. Glad I waited. Unfortunately, I had to pay for my first map inspite of using the gift code. Not sure if I stuffed up there or not. I emailed UpMap a couple of times but no response. Although I’m very happy with the strong performance the new map provides, I’m looking forward to Todd’s map if/when they become available. Very grateful to this forum and the contributions that everyone makes. I love my V7 850!!

 

[Theomarakas]

Hi all,

I’ve had my V7 850 e5 since February and from the get go experienced the fueling problems discussed here. In fact, if I hadn’t been reading this forum before I bought the bike, I would have been sorely disappointed with it as it stopped within one kilometre of the dealership when I picked it up (it was a stinker 34C day)! A quick twist of the fuel cap followed by a gush of air and I was on my way much to the joy of the traffic behind me. I did the evap delete (ala FedeleMotoGuzzi - thank you) but have not installed the SAS caps yet that I bought together with the Upmap device from GTM and started waiting (my bike is an EU model here in Australia). I emailed UpMap asking when they would become available and to my surprise they posted the extra with and without db killer maps soon after. Coincidence? I initially wasn’t sure if I could use the US spec maps or not. Glad I waited. Unfortunately, I had to pay for my first map inspite of using the gift code. Not sure if I stuffed up there or not. I emailed UpMap a couple of times but no response. Although I’m very happy with the strong performance the new map provides, I’m looking forward to Todd’s map if/when they become available. Very grateful to this forum and the contributions that everyone makes. I love my V7 850!!

I'd be very curious to know what Todd thinks about UpMap vs Rapid Bike. What's better, which one has the advantage and which one will have future support. He has stated before that UpMap didn't treat him well by ignoring his inquiries and not allowing him to make some money for his effort to develop maps for the Guzzi community. Maps require a lot of work and testing they don't come out of the thin air. On the other hand, Rapid bike seems to be another feasible option and that's the option which I went for. I just installed it, I haven't started or ridden the V85TT yet. Rapid bike supposedly self adjusts, I'm not sure what Todd does to it any further but I do know that he takes into consideration the type of exhaust, intake filter, SAS, etc. This bring me to the conclusion that he has installed some software to go with the bikes base map. I'm not a tuning expert, in fact I know very little next to nothing on the subject. However, I'm interested to know the differences between the two units and the individual advantages over the other.
Sometimes.....I miss carburetors and old technology....or the simplicity of it.....LOL

 

[Chrisfer]

good question that interests me.

UpMap is much less visible, the box can be removed and leave no trace. It's important to my dealership and my insurance.

But the self-adaptive side and the fact of being able to act on some parameters would have interested me, if it works well.

 

[FMerlino]

Very good. The base UpMapping options will be good for those mods (and slip on exhaust options as mentioned above). If UpMap ever allows us to offer our maps on their portal and make a few $’s on them, those who have purchased from us would get one free map.

When you say ‘the base UpMap option’, I assume you are referring to the Guareschi Moto map on the UpMap website. I was hoping for a GTM map, but…

I only need a base map, as I am running evap can delete, SAS delete (received from GTM but not installed yet) and stock exhaust.

Has anyone with a 2021 V7-850 E5 US version. Done this? I hate being the first. Please chime in if you have done this.

 

[bueller]

No. I will post if and when GTM maps become available. The ones that GC has are noted as "US" maps and can be used successfully/well.

I was curious how good of a job they did. Thanks for the comment!

 

[kildareman]

Just had my 10,000km service and map change to 871CMAAT. Definitly a step in the right direction. I'll leave it a week or so then load the Upmap - which for me will be the

V7 850M 21 EU SO​

 

[Mercier Luc]

On my side a got error code and brand new iphone, No anwers from upmap only auto answering. Cheap from upmap. If somebuddy had this code. Need infos.

 

[Mercier Luc]

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa!

It turns out that it was user error (as we like to say, an ID:10T error) combined perhaps with wonky UI design on the UpMap side

When selecting a map (I went with the "Zard FD" for headers, de-cat and dB-killer) I _thought_ was looking at a list of US maps, but they jumble together US and EU maps with no apparent rhyme or reason to the sort order, and of course... I inadvertently grabbed the EU version of the map. Realized my problem, got the correct map ($$$ LOL @ expensive mistake) and that one flashed up A-OK.

Hoping this map works well enough for the exhaust setup I have now. It certainly can't be worse than the OEM map, I'm thinking. Now... to go see how it goes...

Hopefully others can learn from my silly mistake.

__Jason

jw i have the same bug, you are telling me that eu maps with america models or what. I have choose the last one wth with no dbk.

V85 21 CHN ZARD FR Its writen cnd as i know it mean canadian. Im fuck up with those rerms.​

 

[GTM®]

What would be so hard to make 2 separate download pages, 1 USA and 1 Europe and All Other so this constant error would stop? They don’t do it because they are making $$$ from the confusion. It’s so unethical.

The VIN# shouldn't allow the EU download period. For those who buy them from me, I force them to give my buyers a credit for their mistake. I can't help those who don't purchase from me though.
Usually map errors are due to the EU vs. US maps. I've had that numerous times so far.

 

[kildareman]

Did the deed and used my upmap today.

Points to note:
Firmware update took a couple of minutes, as did downloading (current) original map to the upmap.
"Buying" the Gcorse map:
All v7 850 maps on display in the store but reading the brief discription with each or as I did note down previously which map I needed made for easy work.
I didn't have to enter my VIN as upmap captured that, just entered my address and phone number.
Loading the map was flawless, again only a minute or two..

All in no more than 10 minutes start to finish.
Bike started and no fault indications. So good to go.

 

[kildareman]

I'm happy.
The Guzzi updated tune for the Centenario was good - removed the "flat" spot at 3,500 ish. The GCorse map improves on that. There's an added urgency/ummph throughout the rev range now. Sure the Centenario seems to drink a little more but by god is it worth it.

 

[Speciality]

I’m happy with the remap of the ECU on my V7 850 Special too. Definitely feels more grunty in the lower half of the rev range and it no longer nearly stalls moving off on a cold engine.
I have tried the live data displayed on my iPhone. Some observations: The gear displayed stays at zero, not sure why or if it should. Voltmeter shows a little over 15 volts after startup but then drops to 14.n volts. I would prefer the option to have the engine temperature in Centigrade rather than Fahrenheit but to do this means I have to have kilometres, not miles. The display is not something that I use much anyway but occasionally when I use a SatNav app on my phone it’s nice to load the UpMap app to see what’s going on. Overall a great bit of kit in my view.