Dale Baker
Cruisin' Guzzisti
But the real question is still : "The REAL question is,... Crackers, did you ever get your key ring back? "My whole key-life was on that ring."....."
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Lost my only key!
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Brian UK
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It is a pity that there is no code which can be derived from the VIN and then used to program a new key with the appropriate software. Though that would then open the door for thieves.
But some of the blame for the current position has to lie with sellers and in particular, dealer sellers of second hand models for not bothering to pass on the information.
The real problem is as you said not passing on the information for the user code. The security feature is in my opinion a good thing, and only causes issues when you don't have both keys, or don't know the user code.
Crackers
Just got it firing!
For the record, I have not blamed anyone but myself for my situation.
New lockset is about $560.00. New dash is $1100.00.
I've got some time to play with this over the winter.
I have not yet found a locksmith who is willing to fuss with a MG, but there's a few out of my area to try, yet.
Tentative plan (if the locksmith is a bust) is to buy the new lockset, and then send the dash out. Seems if I do that, I'll wind up with plenty of keys!
And, no, my original keys have not turned up. They'll most likely show up just after I'm through this headache!
New lockset is about $560.00. New dash is $1100.00.
I've got some time to play with this over the winter.
I have not yet found a locksmith who is willing to fuss with a MG, but there's a few out of my area to try, yet.
Tentative plan (if the locksmith is a bust) is to buy the new lockset, and then send the dash out. Seems if I do that, I'll wind up with plenty of keys!
And, no, my original keys have not turned up. They'll most likely show up just after I'm through this headache!
Crackers
Just got it firing!
Hooray, hooray! My keys showed up!
They had become tangled in another party guest's belongings, and then made their way into a car seat crevice.
I had been dancing with a locksmith who was willing to work with the machine, but our schedules kept getting put off. In a way, that was a good thing.
I've ordered 2 key blanks, and will get them cut and cloned. I kinda budgeted for a $1k nightmare, what with locksmith fees and dash programming, so maybe I put a pipe on this sucker!
They had become tangled in another party guest's belongings, and then made their way into a car seat crevice.
I had been dancing with a locksmith who was willing to work with the machine, but our schedules kept getting put off. In a way, that was a good thing.
I've ordered 2 key blanks, and will get them cut and cloned. I kinda budgeted for a $1k nightmare, what with locksmith fees and dash programming, so maybe I put a pipe on this sucker!
Fantastic! After that long you kinda start to lose hope.
Having read this entire horror story I'm keen to know if my V7iii uses the same key coding scheme. I still have my 2 keys, but see a personal need to add a little more insurance.
roadventure
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John,
I think you are making a bad move by threatening to lock a thread simply because owners of Moto Guzzi motorcycles are frustrated by the manufacturer's lack of knowledge of their own product. That and the lack of interest in supporting their dealers so that they may provide superior service to the customer. After all, if there are no customers, there is no need for a manufacturer. So, in essence, these "complaints" are a request to Moto Guzzi to step up their game.
Nothing is perfect. Nobody is perfect. Let's openly discuss the "warts and all". In doing this everyone benefits.
roadventure
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Looking into the future, can we imagine someone buying a used MG motorcycle that uses a keycode for security. The owner doesn't think to pass along the keycode (if he even knows on exists). The owner never programmed the second key. So, the buyer gets their pretty new (to them) MG motorcycle and is SO happy. It is very possible that the new owner does not have a clue that such a thing as a keycode or if a keycode was ever set. The point is that a second-hand buyer does not necessarily get a "walk-around" of their new bike that a responsible dealer may provide.
Here is the thing. The folks at Moto Guzzi don't look at this forum. Bitching here serves no purpose. The forum is here to provide what aid we can to fellow Guzzi owners. We have no control on what Moto Guzzi does or doesn't do. Have you noticed that after I made that post, the tone of this thread became constructive again?
roadventure
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Yeah, I think I know that MG doesn't see any of this stuff. But, other owners do and it might be helpful to them to know that if they are going to look to their dealer to help them get out of a jam with a lost or forgotten keycode they might want to look elsewhere as the dealer won't be any help. Carmo Electronics will be though. They were able to do what MG won't tell their dealers how to do. That is, reset the dash to where it was before the bike was sold.
I just bought a used California Tour, and it came with two sets of ignition and saddlebag keys. I have no idea what the key code is. On the key ring of spare keys is a little plastic piece with four numbers stamped into it. Could that be the key code?
Yes that tag should be the key code.
My spare key for my B-11 has a black tag with ZADI on one side and 5 numbers on the other side.
With the service codes being 5 digits, make sure you are not missing one digit.
Thanks John, that is great info. The dealer who sold my Griso new, apparently favoured the last 5 digits of the VIN. Hope I never need to use it.
Key code is different from user code. The tag should be the code for cutting the key, but if a new key, you need the user code to program the key to the dash. These darn bikes have too many codes!!
Darn right!
Being new to MG, I want to be sure I don’t get stranded if the dash doesn’t recognize the key! I’m assuming if that happens I just enter the secret code manually? I don’t really want to carry both my keys all the time.
Correct. If the dash doesn't recognize the key it will ask for the user code. If you don't know the user code and you have both keys you can change the user code. I like to use the maintenance code, others the last 5 digits of the VIN. Personally I prefer to remember just one code. The procedure is covered in the Breva Service manual in the downloads section. Procedure is the same for all CARC bikes.
Forgive my ignorance…What’s a CARC bike?
See below, and we have a whole section dedicated to it; https://guzzitech.com/forums/forums/carc.253/
