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UpMap Q&A

While we wait for resolution on when Map(s) will be visible on UpMap app, I was hoping to pose a few questions I've come across that have not really been addressed. First off my apologies for asking questions here and via email. I was in my garage with bike paired with UpMap and was hoping to get a quick answer on the map. Now that you have defined this forum as the place to get the info, I will never use another source. Coming from the world of Harley Davidson's, and never owning a Moto Guzzi, this has been educational to say the least. Here a some questions I and other users have asked on this thread or the performance thread or the mods thread....

1) the UpMap device/app is similar to a Vance & Hines Fuel Pack 3 (FP3) where you go in and pair to your bike, but then you choose the brand pipes you've added, then choose with what type of baffle. Because some of us are used to that, the question has come up what exactly your map is going to be for? I've seen questions about a map just for better performance for stock, a map for Agostini with DB killers, a map for Agostini without DB Killers (that's what I want), a map for Mistrals, etc. etc. So while we wait, we really don't know what we are waiting for. Anything will be better than nothing.

2) In this thread, you mentioned that UpMap informed you that for V7 850 owners the "GC" maps should be online and to check and let you know. When I replied I showed that only maps there currently are for V85 and V85TT bikes. All those maps are offered via GCorse. I realized later that you said the "GC" maps for V7 850 should be online, so does that mean you are partnering with GCorse and the maps will appear to be from them? Or will the maps say GTM?

Sorry for the long message, but I hope if you can answer here, it may prevent you from receiving 50 emails with these same questions.
 
DamonAS said:
While we wait for resolution on when Map(s) will be visible on UpMap app, I was hoping to pose a few questions I've come across that have not really been addressed
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Hi Damon, thanks for posting here, happy to answer questions here to save me the repetitive emails. Appreciated.

1. Generally correct. This will be a slow process, and GC is partnered with Zard exhaust, so you likely will not see another brand until a time that I can get to them, so...
2. In the same way I will be uploading maps to the UpMap portal, GC is working directly with them on the units themselves, so they will be first. In time, we should be able to have GTM maps online in the same fashion for download, along with our own code for one free map download.

When GC opens in the morning, I hope to have more info for you regarding the online maps. GC told me they were available, UpMap did not (yet). Hope that helps for now.
 
GTM® said:
Hi Damon, thanks for posting here, happy to answer questions here to save me the repetitive emails. Appreciated.

1. Generally correct. This will be a slow process, and GC is partnered with Zard exhaust, so you likely will not see another brand until a time that I can get to them, so...
2. In the same way I will be uploading maps to the UpMap portal, GC is working directly with them on the units themselves, so they will be first. In time, we should be able to have GTM maps online in the same fashion for download, along with our own code for one free map download.

When GC opens in the morning, I hope to have more info for you regarding the online maps. GC told me they were available, UpMap did not (yet). Hope that helps for now.
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So, if I am understanding you correctly,

1) the maps we are waiting to be visible are not even your maps, but GC maps?
2) and if so, do you know what maps we can expect? (Agostini, w/wo DB killers, Mistral, etc.)
 
DamonAS said:
So, if I am understanding you correctly,

1) the maps we are waiting to be visible are not even your maps, but GC maps?
2) and if so, do you know what maps we can expect? (Agostini, w/wo DB killers, Mistral, etc.)
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Correct, however;
1. I will have tested them in house.
2. No idea yet. Hopefully within the next few weeks. I have a completely stock V7-850 in house right now. I will be mapping it stock, GTM mufflers with and without db-killers, and our full systems, 2-2 & 2-1 and Drags.
 
GTM® said:
Hi Damon, thanks for posting here, happy to answer questions here to save me the repetitive emails. Appreciated.

1. Generally correct. This will be a slow process, and GC is partnered with Zard exhaust, so you likely will not see another brand until a time that I can get to them, so...
2. In the same way I will be uploading maps to the UpMap portal, GC is working directly with them on the units themselves, so they will be first. In time, we should be able to have GTM maps online in the same fashion for download, along with our own code for one free map download.

When GC opens in the morning, I hope to have more info for you regarding the online maps. GC told me they were available, UpMap did not (yet). Hope that helps for now.
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I guess I missed something you said the first time I read it. It sounds like the maps we are hoping to see any day from GC will more than likely be for Zard exhaust. That being said, I would think that a map for Zard slip ons would be better for my bike with Agostini slip ons than the stock map...Please correct me if I'm wrong! If you agree, I plan to flash it, and then when you or them release a map for Agostini I will pay to reflash it then.
 
OK, the maps are now online via the app and showing on the website; store.up-map.it/en/3-maps#/brand-moto_guzzi/model-v7_850_21_us_euro5 -- I'll be working on my maps today and early next week. I'll post more as we go.
 
Hey Todd, just saying make sure you turn off the traction control. I live on a long dirt road and when I rode my v85 TT I thought something was wrong with the mapping but it's that damn traction control so make sure you tell your customer turn all that stuff off.
 
So, I remapped my bike with the map for aftermarket exhaust with no db killers. Big improvement! I had a bike shop do the SAS kit and the Evap delete prior to putting the Agostini shortys on myself and I removed the db killers. When I got the bike back from my mechanic I noticed a hesitation when giving it throttle in first gear. He mentioned that to me as well. After I added the Agostinis the hesitation got worse. The new map just took care of that. There is some popping on deceleration, but not always, and nothing I can't live with. This will definitely satisfy me until Todd comes out with his own map I can download via UpMap!
 
It sounds like good progress, getting close. I'll wait a bit as I don't see your maps on UpMap yet, probably "in progress"... as it were these days.

Hopefully more info about any service functions the UpMap unit can perform, hopefully some.....

I wish it was the opposite, you buy 1 UpMap unit that can be used on different bikes then pay for the map for that particular bike. I'm considering UpMap for one of my Ducatis and it seems like I have to buy 2 units, seems like a waste of hardware to me.
 
DamonAS said:
Hey Todd, one person had asked if the UpMap can be used as a Diagnostic tool for example to reset the maintenance light after oil change intervals, etc. Is there any way to find out? My closest dealer is 3 hours away so would hate to have to go that far just to reset the light once i get past 900 miles. Just got the bike and only have 400 for now. I'm thinking maybe under the DTC page in app?
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So I got (easily) connected to a '21 V7-850 today and recorded the sequence to share here soon. Definitely no on the Service wrench, and on the bike I had, the DTC showed "No errors" - so I'll assume that means if any do flag, it will show there. On a quick Google search, below shows a screen on a Ducati, and they said it was cleared by clicking on the trash icon top right. As soon as I'm able to confirm, I will post again on it, or if anyone here does it before me, please post.

T800-DTC-Duc.webp
 
danketchpel said:
Any updates? It seems like I should wait until Todd's maps are on UpMap. Or.... does it make sense to try the GC map first?
I'd also like to know about any service minder/code reading capability of the unit, if any. For the price it should at least read OBDII codes, that's a no brainer.

Turning off the service minder would be very nice. I don't get why bike companies force you to go to a dealer to turn off the minder while car companies allow you to do it yourself very easily. There's no legality about it, just company policy. If it's the case I can't turn it off then the minder will just stay on and I'll ignore it, been there, done that.
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The UpMap app does have a DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Code) section. I just recently got mine, and haven't had a chance to hook it up yet, so not sure what sort of functionality is there, exactly... but it does have it.

As for why the manufacturer is pushing people to go to the dealer? Simple. They want you to go to the dealer... for everything... and give them money. I don't think the reasoning is anything deeper than that. That's why the tool kit comes with approximately zero tools, and the user manual says to go to the dealer for just about everything. Beyond putting fuel into it, they'd like to to go to a dealer for any and all work to be done on the bike. Which, is fine... in theory... as long as you have a local dealer. We all have local dealers, right?!? LOL

__Jason
 
jwtucker said:
The UpMap app does have a DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Code) section. I just recently got mine, and haven't had a chance to hook it up yet, so not sure what sort of functionality is there, exactly... but it does have it.

As for why the manufacturer is pushing people to go to the dealer? Simple. They want you to go to the dealer... for everything... and give them money. I don't think the reasoning is anything deeper than that. That's why the tool kit comes with approximately zero tools, and the user manual says to go to the dealer for just about everything. Beyond putting fuel into it, they'd like to to go to a dealer for any and all work to be done on the bike. Which, is fine... in theory... as long as you have a local dealer. We all have local dealers, right?!? LOL

__Jason
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Yeah. Sure. Mine is 4.5 hours away.
 
Today I installed a new exhaust and SAS delete on the V85TT (wow... getting that SAS blanking plate on the right cylinder head was insane... I almost gave up on it. Doing the SAS delete on the V7III was a piece of cake compared to this... but I digress.)

Naturally, I left the simple part for last - the UpMap reflash. Unfortunately, that ended in failure. The UpMap can talk to the bike OK, it can download and restore the OEM map with no problems. But when I try to flash a new map, I get the following:

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The error appears only after the upload is 100% complete. Anyone see this particular one before? Tried a number of times, rebooting the phone, unplugging/replugging the UpMap, bike off/on, etc. Same result each time so far.

__Jason
 
jwtucker said:
The error appears only after the upload is 100% complete. Anyone see this particular one before? Tried a number of times, rebooting the phone, unplugging/replugging the UpMap, bike off/on, etc. Same result each time so far.
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Jason, sorry for the troubles. Most often when I ask them (which takes days + to reply), they often tell me it was a system "glitch" and to try again, which typically resolves it. I have not yet had any issues with those I've done in house. Thanks for posting, and send a direct email if the issue continues.
 
Thanks Todd, will do. I'm going to try again shortly because so far, I've been trying with the tank removed from the bike, and I'm thinking there is a _possibility_ that having those electrics unhooked may be enough to cause unexpected results with the new map. I'll let you know how it goes.

__Jason
 
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